Message from @Airman Zeno
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thats kind of the point
its a baseline for a society to work
I can now argue for an atheist society based on this framework by being that reductive, which I don't think mr Thomas Aquinas would have been a fan of
but this baseline doesn't allow me to arrive at any interesting conclusions
and it doesn't demonstrate that any of these things are even good
@Airman Zeno Just thinking of points to push against each law respectively:
1. What about in War?
2. OK (maybe: what about overpopulation?)
3. Educate in what?
4. Very vague!! (economics?)
5. OK
I also still reject this idea that atheists are worshipping themselves, this doesn't make any sense unless you've completely redefined the word
1. War is a violation of NML, but it happens as a result of the flaws within societies
why don't we add a 6th point
societies go to war
thats an idiotic statement
this is almost universally true
was is a moral evil
war*
this seems unrelated
this claim is about as interesting and illuminating of morality as saying "chairs have four legs, and let's assume all numbers are equal to four"
if we has someone who wanted to destroy society, there is nothing in these points which would persuade them to change their mind
Someone who wants to destroy society is not going to be convinced by anything
There were societies where people didn't have children for instance, they failed of course.
and so are you saying that they are somehow morally equal to us?
why is a failed society less moral than a successful one?
is a society that strived for love and kindness but failed, somehow more evil than a society which was brutal, totalitarian, and destructive?
there is a *right* way to live that by sheer definition means success
this seems circular
depends what the metric of 'success' is.
Sodom and Gomorrah were trading giants in the Levant ... until they weren't
how do you know what the right way to live is?
yes what metric are you using for succesS?
moral =/= economic
consider it a compromise between absolutism and utilitarian morality
if it were good for the tourism industry for a city to host the worlds biggest pig fucking festival, should it be a no brainer?
@TheAnecdotalMisogynist I don't really know where you're going with this 😂
I'm not saying I know the current right way to live within how our society is currently set up, but I know there is one
how do you know there is one?
how do you know there isnt?
@Spider Sutra what is your definition of success?
it's pretty clear where I'm going with it.
and yes that is not my answer
I know there is a right way to live because it is the way to obey all 5 precepts of NML, along with the other 7 secondary ones within today's society
@TheAnecdotalMisogynist I mean success is up to the individual in my opinion. For myself, I feel success is determined by what you share with others.
so you wouldn't have any issues with your city hosting the worlds biggest pig fucking festival?
@Airman Zeno why do you think the 5 precepts are the right way to live? or facilitate the right way to live?