it is impossible for a society to exist outside of those

well the last doesn't seem impossible

societies are becoming more secular over time

this doesn't seem to contribute to their collapse

they are worshipping themselves

then we've gotten reductive come on. What does the word "worship" mean to you?

because if you get that reductive, it's impossible to buck these 5 points

thats kind of the point

its a baseline for a society to work

I can now argue for an atheist society based on this framework by being that reductive, which I don't think mr Thomas Aquinas would have been a fan of

but this baseline doesn't allow me to arrive at any interesting conclusions

and it doesn't demonstrate that any of these things are even good

@Airman Zeno Just thinking of points to push against each law respectively:
1. What about in War?
2. OK (maybe: what about overpopulation?)
3. Educate in what?
4. Very vague!! (economics?)
5. OK

I also still reject this idea that atheists are worshipping themselves, this doesn't make any sense unless you've completely redefined the word

1. War is a violation of NML, but it happens as a result of the flaws within societies

why don't we add a 6th point

societies go to war

thats an idiotic statement

this is almost universally true

was is a moral evil

war*

this seems unrelated

this claim is about as interesting and illuminating of morality as saying "chairs have four legs, and let's assume all numbers are equal to four"

if we has someone who wanted to destroy society, there is nothing in these points which would persuade them to change their mind

Someone who wants to destroy society is not going to be convinced by anything

There were societies where people didn't have children for instance, they failed of course.

and so are you saying that they are somehow morally equal to us?

they are by definition failed

why is a failed society less moral than a successful one?

is a society that strived for love and kindness but failed, somehow more evil than a society which was brutal, totalitarian, and destructive?

there is a *right* way to live that by sheer definition means success

this seems circular

depends what the metric of 'success' is.
Sodom and Gomorrah were trading giants in the Levant ... until they weren't

how do you know what the right way to live is?

yes what metric are you using for succesS?

moral =/= economic

consider it a compromise between absolutism and utilitarian morality

if it were good for the tourism industry for a city to host the worlds biggest pig fucking festival, should it be a no brainer?

@TheAnecdotalMisogynist I don't really know where you're going with this 😂

I'm not saying I know the current right way to live within how our society is currently set up, but I know there is one

how do you know there is one?