Message from @☭ SovietsDidNothingWrong Ⓐ

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2020-02-03 16:57:04 UTC  

expansionist wars are never justified

2020-02-03 16:57:09 UTC  

So you're saying when we are attacked, that isn't justification for war?

2020-02-03 16:57:25 UTC  

that is a justification for war

2020-02-03 16:57:34 UTC  

most wars weren't fought for that purpose

2020-02-03 16:57:40 UTC  

Same as a State

2020-02-03 16:57:42 UTC  

God has ordered war because the rival nation was corrupting Israelites morally

2020-02-03 16:57:44 UTC  

and 90% of the time you can drive off an invader with many other methods

2020-02-03 16:57:45 UTC  

besides war

2020-02-03 16:57:52 UTC  

No you can't

2020-02-03 16:57:56 UTC  

You literally cannot

2020-02-03 16:58:10 UTC  

sure, when God speaks to you and tells you to go to war again i'll be in the front lines

2020-02-03 16:58:17 UTC  

until then i'm not a warmongerer

2020-02-03 16:58:29 UTC  

God gave us the just war clause

2020-02-03 16:59:13 UTC  

and even if we come to war, war isn't a good

2020-02-03 16:59:33 UTC  

war can be used as say, an evil for the prevention of greater evils

2020-02-03 16:59:38 UTC  

but it's never in itself a good thing

2020-02-03 16:59:54 UTC  

unless of course God commands it

2020-02-03 17:00:12 UTC  

examples from the old testament are arguably futile; because the "chosen people" status is lost

2020-02-03 17:00:14 UTC  

God wont command

2020-02-03 17:00:18 UTC  

no nation has priveleges over another nation

2020-02-03 17:00:24 UTC  

The People need to do it by themselves

2020-02-03 17:00:29 UTC  

lol

2020-02-03 17:01:41 UTC  

You must say that Christ is not a pacifist though

2020-02-03 17:01:55 UTC  

You may personally advocate pacifism because you haven't read the bible or tradition

2020-02-03 17:02:06 UTC  

I've read the Bible

2020-02-03 17:02:09 UTC  

But I've demonstrated God has no prohibitions on justice

2020-02-03 17:02:14 UTC  

at least the gosples i have

2020-02-03 17:02:35 UTC  

You don't have a holistic approach

2020-02-03 17:03:01 UTC  

Jesus used violence to cleanse the temple did he not?

2020-02-03 17:03:16 UTC  

yes He has

2020-02-03 17:03:47 UTC  

Violence is not intrinsically bad

2020-02-03 17:03:56 UTC  

Stopping evil is good, not fighting evil with evil

2020-02-03 17:04:04 UTC  

Fighting evil with evil is prohibited

2020-02-03 17:04:09 UTC  

Yet we see violence is not

2020-02-03 17:04:34 UTC  

This doesn't mean it's universally ok

2020-02-03 17:05:00 UTC  

why does He then command us to turn the other cheek? all of the verses that you cite about the usage of the "sword" are very metaphoric and could be interpreted differently

2020-02-03 17:06:54 UTC  

i've always taken sword in "i've come to bring a sword" as meaning justice

2020-02-03 17:07:35 UTC  

Christ is bringing justice to the world, and Christians are fighting every day, though battles not physical but spiritual

2020-02-03 17:07:40 UTC  

Evil and Good does not inherently exist

2020-02-03 17:07:52 UTC  

are you a non-denominational.

2020-02-03 17:07:58 UTC  

Same as what is Normal or Unnormal