God gave us the just war clause

and even if we come to war, war isn't a good

war can be used as say, an evil for the prevention of greater evils

but it's never in itself a good thing

unless of course God commands it

examples from the old testament are arguably futile; because the "chosen people" status is lost

God wont command

no nation has priveleges over another nation

The People need to do it by themselves

lol

You must say that Christ is not a pacifist though

You may personally advocate pacifism because you haven't read the bible or tradition

I've read the Bible

But I've demonstrated God has no prohibitions on justice

at least the gosples i have

You don't have a holistic approach

Jesus used violence to cleanse the temple did he not?

yes He has

Violence is not intrinsically bad

Stopping evil is good, not fighting evil with evil

Fighting evil with evil is prohibited

Yet we see violence is not

This doesn't mean it's universally ok

why does He then command us to turn the other cheek? all of the verses that you cite about the usage of the "sword" are very metaphoric and could be interpreted differently

i've always taken sword in "i've come to bring a sword" as meaning justice

Christ is bringing justice to the world, and Christians are fighting every day, though battles not physical but spiritual

Evil and Good does not inherently exist

are you a non-denominational.

Same as what is Normal or Unnormal

I have no denomination as most are cringe

okay then, opinion disregarded

sorry but take at least a bit of time to examine Christian denominations. I'm sure the apostolic churches have more of a grasp of Christology than you do

@Draško when someone offends you personally, turn the other cheek. That's the last thing you do to real moral evil however.

so if you have, say, a sodomite, who is engaging in an objective act of evil, do you see violence against them as the first and intrinsically corect decision?

Nothing wrong with Sodomy<:depress:591181860420321280>

Of course not, but an obstinate heretic who purposefully acts for evil should be punished.

You should inform them, and try to help them personally

If you can't help them, vigilante justice isn't the solution

@Draško are you protestant?

no

Good