when is violence necessary?

Self defense, war, etc

Use by the state as well

war is necessary?

how

War is used to defend your people, your land, to make things right. It has tons of precedent in the bible, and the church gives us just war clause.

God has ordered war

"your land"

Yes?

lol, no

God has punished israel for disobeying commands to go to war

Cringe

when God orders war war is justified

Nations shouldn’t exist

expansionist wars are never justified

So you're saying when we are attacked, that isn't justification for war?

that is a justification for war

most wars weren't fought for that purpose

Same as a State

God has ordered war because the rival nation was corrupting Israelites morally

and 90% of the time you can drive off an invader with many other methods

besides war

No you can't

You literally cannot

sure, when God speaks to you and tells you to go to war again i'll be in the front lines

until then i'm not a warmongerer

God gave us the just war clause

and even if we come to war, war isn't a good

war can be used as say, an evil for the prevention of greater evils

but it's never in itself a good thing

unless of course God commands it

examples from the old testament are arguably futile; because the "chosen people" status is lost

God wont command

no nation has priveleges over another nation

The People need to do it by themselves

lol

You must say that Christ is not a pacifist though

You may personally advocate pacifism because you haven't read the bible or tradition

I've read the Bible

But I've demonstrated God has no prohibitions on justice

at least the gosples i have