Message from @Draško

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2020-02-03 16:56:22 UTC  

Yes?

2020-02-03 16:56:27 UTC  

lol, no

2020-02-03 16:56:42 UTC  

God has punished israel for disobeying commands to go to war

2020-02-03 16:56:42 UTC  

Cringe

2020-02-03 16:56:43 UTC  

when God orders war war is justified

2020-02-03 16:56:53 UTC  

Nations shouldn’t exist

2020-02-03 16:57:04 UTC  

expansionist wars are never justified

2020-02-03 16:57:09 UTC  

So you're saying when we are attacked, that isn't justification for war?

2020-02-03 16:57:25 UTC  

that is a justification for war

2020-02-03 16:57:34 UTC  

most wars weren't fought for that purpose

2020-02-03 16:57:40 UTC  

Same as a State

2020-02-03 16:57:42 UTC  

God has ordered war because the rival nation was corrupting Israelites morally

2020-02-03 16:57:44 UTC  

and 90% of the time you can drive off an invader with many other methods

2020-02-03 16:57:45 UTC  

besides war

2020-02-03 16:57:52 UTC  

No you can't

2020-02-03 16:57:56 UTC  

You literally cannot

2020-02-03 16:58:10 UTC  

sure, when God speaks to you and tells you to go to war again i'll be in the front lines

2020-02-03 16:58:17 UTC  

until then i'm not a warmongerer

2020-02-03 16:58:29 UTC  

God gave us the just war clause

2020-02-03 16:59:13 UTC  

and even if we come to war, war isn't a good

2020-02-03 16:59:33 UTC  

war can be used as say, an evil for the prevention of greater evils

2020-02-03 16:59:38 UTC  

but it's never in itself a good thing

2020-02-03 16:59:54 UTC  

unless of course God commands it

2020-02-03 17:00:12 UTC  

examples from the old testament are arguably futile; because the "chosen people" status is lost

2020-02-03 17:00:14 UTC  

God wont command

2020-02-03 17:00:18 UTC  

no nation has priveleges over another nation

2020-02-03 17:00:24 UTC  

The People need to do it by themselves

2020-02-03 17:00:29 UTC  

lol

2020-02-03 17:01:41 UTC  

You must say that Christ is not a pacifist though

2020-02-03 17:01:55 UTC  

You may personally advocate pacifism because you haven't read the bible or tradition

2020-02-03 17:02:06 UTC  

I've read the Bible

2020-02-03 17:02:09 UTC  

But I've demonstrated God has no prohibitions on justice

2020-02-03 17:02:14 UTC  

at least the gosples i have

2020-02-03 17:02:35 UTC  

You don't have a holistic approach

2020-02-03 17:03:01 UTC  

Jesus used violence to cleanse the temple did he not?

2020-02-03 17:03:16 UTC  

yes He has

2020-02-03 17:03:47 UTC  

Violence is not intrinsically bad

2020-02-03 17:03:56 UTC  

Stopping evil is good, not fighting evil with evil

2020-02-03 17:04:04 UTC  

Fighting evil with evil is prohibited

2020-02-03 17:04:09 UTC  

Yet we see violence is not

2020-02-03 17:04:34 UTC  

This doesn't mean it's universally ok