There is no such thing as true objective morality.

How's that?

My point is that traditionalism isn't a personal way of life, it's a social prescription. So when you say "Christian traditionalist" I have to prod the fuck out of you to see if you really want all of Christianity back or if you actually just want something else but think you want Christianity back. Traditionalism gets dark really fast. With things like food and holidays, it's easier for you to say:
"I like some of the unique things different cultures brings to the world and how we can gather to enjoy them".
That's the worldview I've taken away so far from the information I've gathered

@moira holy fuck you down even know about the fulfillment of the old law?

@Coldfish that's a strong claim, support it

@moira I'll explain what traditionalism is and isn't when I get back

you will probably argue for a reformation of it, rather than traditional values

Not at all

I'm avidly pro patriarchy, hierarchy, chastity, etc

Reformation means changing the values when I say that

I know

But I'm out for now

d.e.s.t.r.o.y.e.d

Being a traditionalist in general is bad. Imagine how bad Christian Traditionalism is.

I'm no Christian but I think that Traditions exist for a good reason

Especially when Christian Traditionalists encourage the return of the values of the first century AC.

yes

based

Traditions are fine, and it's good to have them, but Traditionalists don't really care about eating turkey on Thanksgiving. What they mostly care for, is the return of traditional/conservative values.

wow good job

you figured it all out

If you want to try and hurt my feelings, then cope harder. The channel is dedicated to debates regarding religion, and uncensorable insults, as well as ironies, shitposting, and generally being a jerk and therefore destroying the conversation/debate is not allowed. You can do so in <#587015719141507102>.

There is no conversation, you just described what traditionalism is, and acted like no one knew that before ya

but alright, i apologize for hurting your feelings

There was a conversation going on, I never acted the way you describe, you're the one who's actually salty for getting deported twice, but I will not give you attention no more. Consider yourself warned.

Not salty, i just gave an adequate response

lets just stop

@Koninos On very basic level, yes i agree, but then when you say you're a Christian traditionalist... Also imagine arguing for slavery. Slavery in antiquity and the classical period was pretty awful, so awful in fact that serfdom was a major upgrade for most of the population in Mediterranean

@moira serfdom is a step up from what we have now... we work more, we marry later, have less kids, spend much less time with family, it's horrible now.

Even in the American system slaves worked less than the free poor man.

Try and put yourself in perspective

The old law isn't binding any longer, but if you are trying to judge biblical slavery, our wage cage system is worse now

But if you think we are arguing pro slavery, you're not listening

https://twitter.com/NationalFile/status/1229505887305392135?s=19

Hope they suffer the worse

@Eoppa I mean, are you in the working world?

Because now is pretty much the best time to be a worker at any point in human history

We’ve had near record low unemployment, there’s new industries developing, there are more benefits than ever before

Also having kids later is generally a good sign

It means that those children are typically planned for and will typically have the support of parents with a more stable income and environment

Having kids at latter ages may be as a "good sign", but there is a large probability of negative biological and psycological consequences for couples bearing children at older ages. To quote a whole paragraph of M. Mills (2011):

"The detrimental individual consequences of involuntary childlessness are considerable, with individuals shown to have higher levels of clinical depression and relationship dissolution, lower levels of self-esteem, guilt and isolation (Meller et al., 2002). Older mothers also have considerably more problems during gestation and delivery, have a higher risk of birth defects and have more complications after delivery, all resulting in higher morbidity and health-care costs (Allen et al., 2006; Luke and Brown, 2007). Delay of childbearing also leads to more breast cancer. From age 20 to 25 onwards, the relative risk of breast cancer increases by 3% for every year a woman delays having her first child (Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer, 2001)."