Biblical slavery was much closer to modern employment

Not quite the same of course

still you needed to break tradition to say that slavery is wrong, unjust, and should always be fought against

you're a Christian traditionalist, right?

Why not just be a Christian? And you can practice your traditions as you please without making others do so as well?

I mean, I don't believe you when you say food and Christmas. And saying "Christianity" is so vague that it asks whole other set of who,what,where,when,why, and how?

I'm getting off topic lol

Have I said slavery is intrinsically wrong?

based

It's wrong in our context, and intrinsically wrong in the way we practiced it

Morality is subjective

There is no such thing as true objective morality.

How's that?

My point is that traditionalism isn't a personal way of life, it's a social prescription. So when you say "Christian traditionalist" I have to prod the fuck out of you to see if you really want all of Christianity back or if you actually just want something else but think you want Christianity back. Traditionalism gets dark really fast. With things like food and holidays, it's easier for you to say:
"I like some of the unique things different cultures brings to the world and how we can gather to enjoy them".
That's the worldview I've taken away so far from the information I've gathered

@moira holy fuck you down even know about the fulfillment of the old law?

@Coldfish that's a strong claim, support it

@moira I'll explain what traditionalism is and isn't when I get back

you will probably argue for a reformation of it, rather than traditional values

Not at all

I'm avidly pro patriarchy, hierarchy, chastity, etc

Reformation means changing the values when I say that

I know

But I'm out for now

d.e.s.t.r.o.y.e.d

Being a traditionalist in general is bad. Imagine how bad Christian Traditionalism is.

I'm no Christian but I think that Traditions exist for a good reason

Especially when Christian Traditionalists encourage the return of the values of the first century AC.

yes

based

Traditions are fine, and it's good to have them, but Traditionalists don't really care about eating turkey on Thanksgiving. What they mostly care for, is the return of traditional/conservative values.

wow good job

you figured it all out

If you want to try and hurt my feelings, then cope harder. The channel is dedicated to debates regarding religion, and uncensorable insults, as well as ironies, shitposting, and generally being a jerk and therefore destroying the conversation/debate is not allowed. You can do so in <#587015719141507102>.

There is no conversation, you just described what traditionalism is, and acted like no one knew that before ya

but alright, i apologize for hurting your feelings

There was a conversation going on, I never acted the way you describe, you're the one who's actually salty for getting deported twice, but I will not give you attention no more. Consider yourself warned.

Not salty, i just gave an adequate response

lets just stop

@Koninos On very basic level, yes i agree, but then when you say you're a Christian traditionalist... Also imagine arguing for slavery. Slavery in antiquity and the classical period was pretty awful, so awful in fact that serfdom was a major upgrade for most of the population in Mediterranean

@moira serfdom is a step up from what we have now... we work more, we marry later, have less kids, spend much less time with family, it's horrible now.

Even in the American system slaves worked less than the free poor man.