I think that homosexuality goes against the very nature of the family. Daily is the smallest cell of a society and has to be protected dearly, and homosexuality is incompatible with the traditional family. I do not believe that it is a choice though I would not know and I think gays should be allowed to have civil unions should they want to but these should not be mistaken for a marriage, a union between man and woman

Sex is unitive and procreative, having it without one or the other is a perversion of the act and sinful.

@Eoppa where do you derive that from?

@Krusader civil unions between homosexuals shouldn't be allowed because it encourages the sinful activity.

I'm a Catholic @Royal Chaotic

Where does it say that sex is unitive and procreative? @Eoppa i mean

Also does that mean that any sex that doesnt result in babys is sinful?

I think from a purely pragmatic standpoint, making something illegal doesn't really prevent it from happening

@Royal Chaotic ```Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes```

And no, but you can't purposefully prevent the child

I’ve come full circle.

naw shit

Is that from the bible @Eoppa ? And why not

@Krusader but you shouldn't take part in someone's stumbling and codify it into law.

@Royal Chaotic that's from the catechism

Sure you can. These people don't have a choice and we shouldn't punish them for something they do not have any control over

What catechism? And why is no child sex not sinful?

It unprocreative after all, also does that mean that if you are infertile you cant have sex @Eoppa

https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

You shouldn't marry if you are infertile

And sex while *purposefully* preventing that end is sinful

Like contraception

Or especially abortion

@Eoppa but why isn't sex that bears no children which is unprocreative also not a sin

@Krusader we have a choice to not adulter. They have a choice to not be a sodomite.

They have a choice to not do things but they don't have the choice to nor want to do such

Lol yo

Marriage isn't specific to Christianity

The purposeful prevention is the sin. It is still ordered to procreation.

Nor should it be state controlled

Therefore uh, gays should be able to marry

And have it be recognized as such

@✧☽ 𝒹 𝓇 𝑒 𝒶 𝓂 𝒾 𝓃 𝑔 ☾✧ no other religion nor state has the sacrament of marriage.

Nobody gives a fuck about things that aren't Christianity

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Does marriage exist between athiests

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No

No

@✧☽ 𝒹 𝓇 𝑒 𝒶 𝓂 𝒾 𝓃 𝑔 ☾✧ no that's fake marriage

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