Message from @Doktor Goon
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I say nothing and lower my gaze like a humble muslim
@Doktor Goon i believe so?
Like just on principle or what
Is hentai art?
But what's the difference between hentai and non-erotic nudity in form?
It's all up to you taste - to your perception as the observer
So in the end, art is just entirely self-defined
Hentai is explicitly pornography
Mexico still uses the Roman Salute
So are any 18th century nude paintings
@Light There is a long standing artistic tradition in western civilization of the nude form including that of the young. The difference between beauty, innocence, and virginity (promise of future fertility) and sexuality (opportunity in the present for consumption) is not a difficult one to judge by triangulation with traditional works of art. If there is a question there is no question.
It's a long standing degenerate tradition
Not all tradition is good.
its not degenerate
nudity in traditionalist sense did not promote and embrace the same things current day "nudity" embraces and expresses
Disgusting = degenerate
To say nudity is inherently pornographic is dumb. Looking at something like the Birth of Venus and saying that's pornographic because she's naked is absurd.
Pornography has intent behind it
Plenty of imagery intended for sexual stimulation isn't even overtly sexual
sex
Degeneracy = Having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable, thus showing evidence of decline on these sectors. What's desirable or even normal, is not always good, and thus degeneracy can often not be disgusting. @Ater Votum
Staying to the qualities that were once considered normal and desirable would be extremely stupid.
Degeneracy as a term itself is stupid.
"Art is entirely subjective but because of my thick skull I'll justify my rational that nudity in art is disgusting because it has pornographic intent not because I'm insecure about my sexuality."
ah yes assuming intent and backstory
classic
so cliche and original
"oh you're against x???? haha that means ur insecure about y GOT YA AHHAHAHHAHAHHA"
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What happened
@Koninos i don't get your premise
Even if the creator doesn't intend for something to be sexually stimulating, one may still find it stimulating
Likewise, overt sexuality - hell, perhaps even some stimulation - might be intentionally in proper art, to invoke certain feelings
Anyone can crank it to anything
That doesn't make nudity in art pornographic
@Deleted User What is your view on civilian owned fire arms?
I support personal firearm ownership.
Gun confiscation is tankie-tier ideology.
Same here. I think that Gun culture, especially within a Fascist system, is important so that if the Government starts doing some dumb shit the civilians can have some power. It also ensures that if there is an invasion the civilians can properly defend themselves (This is evident in how a foreign invasion of America has nearly never happened).
It would also increase nationalism because the civilians would have a sense of responsibility in the state.