Message from @Lettow
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in a way
*In a way*
You're right that the common bloke is part of history, but the common bloke had no relation to the history *before* his time
Which was most of my point
Wydm by "before his time"?
That `In a way` was supposed to be connected to the next phrase, not the previous
nationalism is about rejecting the concept of "his time", it's our time
past history
our ancestors did this for us, and it's on us to continue their legacy
so that our sons may do the same
I'm not going to be proud by the achievements of thr Iberian empire
i thought you were german
Yes my mother is spanish
but u live in germany right
yes
i dont give a fuck about spain
sure
kind of besides the point
then
Is it, though.
Welp, it is something you cannot blame for. The development of historical national pride normally originated from A. Normally is was used as a method to create celebration, which allowed large quantities of people to be together (pre-industrial) or B. As a political way for the state to create and homogenous spirit based on tradition; like, for example the *espirit the corps*.
@Draško As I was saying, you personally don't really have a relationship to the past, other than being the product of some fuck
i kind of understand your concerns regarding your compatriots not caring about you
that's a shared mentality in the postindustrial era sadly
it's very destructive and immoral imo
To be fair, I've never been a fan of ethnic nationalism, so ancestry is something that doesn't quite convince me as a cohesive attribute
funnily enough, despite being atheist, religious nationalism convinces me *more*.
`that's a shared mentality in the postindustrial era sadly` indeed.
it's good
unless you're wishing harm on other people, then it's bad
but generally wishing the best for your own people is good
religious nationalism is actually the thing I don't have an argument against, since you have people believing a common goal and set of rules, the ones in their religion, despite me being outspoken against religion itself.
Properly Christian Nationalism would be the least of my concerns, if I'm honest
What if it leads to a theocracy?
religious nationalism is a bad version of civic nationalism lol
you're right, it's a form of civic, and therefore less cringrey than ethnonationalism already
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