Message from @Draško

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2020-02-22 21:40:11 UTC  

For the most part.

2020-02-22 21:41:31 UTC  

There are a lot of "my people" who really don't give a shit.

2020-02-22 21:42:01 UTC  

Your perception of "unless you're a historically important figure" is wrong. The development of a nation history is not given itself on the individualistic history of important figures, but in the larger scope of things related to normal day life and/or the actions that wouldn't be possible without large groups. For example, armies are collectivists groups; as they different ramifications (for example artillery, infantry, cavarly), all work together for a achieving a goal. Another example, would be economical history; like the development of guild and agrarian communties which established together an estructural economy. Is the participation of different members, or parts, of a society in the development and modeling of a nation state.

2020-02-22 21:46:23 UTC  

You're right probably

2020-02-22 21:46:32 UTC  

in a way

2020-02-22 21:46:45 UTC  

*In a way*

2020-02-22 21:47:05 UTC  

You're right that the common bloke is part of history, but the common bloke had no relation to the history *before* his time

2020-02-22 21:47:31 UTC  

Which was most of my point

2020-02-22 21:47:52 UTC  

Wydm by "before his time"?

2020-02-22 21:48:04 UTC  

That `In a way` was supposed to be connected to the next phrase, not the previous

2020-02-22 21:48:06 UTC  

nationalism is about rejecting the concept of "his time", it's our time

2020-02-22 21:48:11 UTC  

past history

2020-02-22 21:48:14 UTC  

our ancestors did this for us, and it's on us to continue their legacy

2020-02-22 21:48:21 UTC  

so that our sons may do the same

2020-02-22 21:48:31 UTC  

I'm not going to be proud by the achievements of thr Iberian empire

2020-02-22 21:48:41 UTC  

i thought you were german

2020-02-22 21:48:53 UTC  

Yes my mother is spanish

2020-02-22 21:49:05 UTC  

but u live in germany right

2020-02-22 21:49:09 UTC  

yes

2020-02-22 21:49:14 UTC  

i dont give a fuck about spain

2020-02-22 21:49:18 UTC  

sure

2020-02-22 21:49:23 UTC  

kind of besides the point

2020-02-22 21:49:26 UTC  

then

2020-02-22 21:50:37 UTC  

Is it, though.

2020-02-22 21:50:55 UTC  

Welp, it is something you cannot blame for. The development of historical national pride normally originated from A. Normally is was used as a method to create celebration, which allowed large quantities of people to be together (pre-industrial) or B. As a political way for the state to create and homogenous spirit based on tradition; like, for example the *espirit the corps*.

2020-02-22 21:51:23 UTC  

@Draško As I was saying, you personally don't really have a relationship to the past, other than being the product of some fuck

2020-02-22 21:51:52 UTC  

i kind of understand your concerns regarding your compatriots not caring about you

2020-02-22 21:52:01 UTC  

that's a shared mentality in the postindustrial era sadly

2020-02-22 21:52:06 UTC  

it's very destructive and immoral imo

2020-02-22 21:52:51 UTC  

To be fair, I've never been a fan of ethnic nationalism, so ancestry is something that doesn't quite convince me as a cohesive attribute

2020-02-22 21:53:58 UTC  

funnily enough, despite being atheist, religious nationalism convinces me *more*.

2020-02-22 21:54:43 UTC  

`that's a shared mentality in the postindustrial era sadly` indeed.

2020-02-22 21:55:37 UTC  

@Draško what's your opinion on religious nationalism

2020-02-22 21:56:28 UTC  

it's good

2020-02-22 21:56:37 UTC  

unless you're wishing harm on other people, then it's bad

2020-02-22 21:56:47 UTC  

but generally wishing the best for your own people is good

2020-02-22 21:58:44 UTC  

religious nationalism is actually the thing I don't have an argument against, since you have people believing a common goal and set of rules, the ones in their religion, despite me being outspoken against religion itself.

2020-02-22 22:03:59 UTC  

Properly Christian Nationalism would be the least of my concerns, if I'm honest

2020-02-22 22:09:59 UTC  

What if it leads to a theocracy?

2020-02-22 22:16:17 UTC  

religious nationalism is a bad version of civic nationalism lol