I would definitely go against my nation, But that's because I do not care about irrational bullshit

If a country does wrong, it's not something to strive for

which takes us to the irrational part

"my country can do no wrong"

"and if it somehow did, I must justify it"

which is total bullshit tbh

"my people" dont give a shit about me

For the most part.

There are a lot of "my people" who really don't give a shit.

Your perception of "unless you're a historically important figure" is wrong. The development of a nation history is not given itself on the individualistic history of important figures, but in the larger scope of things related to normal day life and/or the actions that wouldn't be possible without large groups. For example, armies are collectivists groups; as they different ramifications (for example artillery, infantry, cavarly), all work together for a achieving a goal. Another example, would be economical history; like the development of guild and agrarian communties which established together an estructural economy. Is the participation of different members, or parts, of a society in the development and modeling of a nation state.

You're right probably

in a way

*In a way*

You're right that the common bloke is part of history, but the common bloke had no relation to the history *before* his time

Which was most of my point

Wydm by "before his time"?

That `In a way` was supposed to be connected to the next phrase, not the previous

nationalism is about rejecting the concept of "his time", it's our time

past history

our ancestors did this for us, and it's on us to continue their legacy

so that our sons may do the same

I'm not going to be proud by the achievements of thr Iberian empire

i thought you were german

Yes my mother is spanish

but u live in germany right

yes

i dont give a fuck about spain

sure

kind of besides the point

then

Is it, though.

Welp, it is something you cannot blame for. The development of historical national pride normally originated from A. Normally is was used as a method to create celebration, which allowed large quantities of people to be together (pre-industrial) or B. As a political way for the state to create and homogenous spirit based on tradition; like, for example the *espirit the corps*.

@Draško As I was saying, you personally don't really have a relationship to the past, other than being the product of some fuck

i kind of understand your concerns regarding your compatriots not caring about you

that's a shared mentality in the postindustrial era sadly

it's very destructive and immoral imo

To be fair, I've never been a fan of ethnic nationalism, so ancestry is something that doesn't quite convince me as a cohesive attribute

funnily enough, despite being atheist, religious nationalism convinces me *more*.

`that's a shared mentality in the postindustrial era sadly` indeed.

@Draško what's your opinion on religious nationalism

it's good