Do you consider someone wearing lipstick, a dress, with a lovely manicure done, going shopping as masculine as someone with... I don't know, a battleaxe aloft over their head, wearing nothing but the furs of animals they've personally hunted and wrestled, @Deleted User ?

(The answer is no)

You're recognizing gender expression in that moment

You're recognizing gender

Generally, expression and identity correlate, unless an individual is suppressing themselves, in which case, there might be a departure

But, in a Hagelian way, we seek to make others view us as we view ourselves

"gender" is just a term to solidify "gender expression" and "gender identity", it makes no comments on sex

We've got other terms to do that

Arising from latin, of course

trans-*, and cis-*

like 99% of people (or thereabouts, I don't know the number), are cis

But, there's those few instances

Mind you, few instances adds up to "millions of people"

Since we're discussing in terms of hundreds of millions to billions of people

Anecdotal evidence to support your argument doesn’t particularly help when there is evidenced, underlying preferences utilized by both sexes that ultimately contributed to our preconceived notions of what a man prefers versus that of a woman.

If you’re attempting to quote or derive from the philosophy of Virginia Prince, who utilized virtually no scientific citations, nor was even engaged in the sciences, in her novels on attempting to challenge those established notions, then, as stated before, ultimately perpetuating the same absurdity as that of a creationist.

I'm sorry, what?

That didn't address anything I discussed

We see concepts of "gender" throughout history, across societies...

It varies a tidbit, mind you

I'm not arguing that the idea of "gender" isn't in part from certain characteristics of the corresponding sex, if that's what you presume I'm saying (albeit, even when there is a correspondence, it's often exaggerated to an unrealistic degree)

But my evidence isn't at all anecdotal

My clarity’s slipping out and it’s turning late; potentially I misread or whatnot.

Fair enough

Are you familiar with the Reimer incident.

I am - and I'd argue it proves my point

wow

that website is not reputable

at all

https://gyazo.com/ea5ea62ac7c8f71c11d4ece1f6011d24

I’ll clear that up.

And get a new variant.

Ahhhh, here is the ASU page: https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/david-reimer-and-john-money-gender-reassignment-controversy-johnjoan-case

I did not see the sidelines of that one, kek.

Reading the wiki story, it seems like a bit of a stretch to actually draw tons of conclusions based upon gender identity from this...

There are likely other citations which derive, but this in particular was a landmark case.

Unfortunately, Reimer blew his head off.

So we cannot get a direct account from him anymore.

True

But...

There's various... compounding factors

He apparently had a slurry of financial issues, a failing marriage, and some other property issue in his last days.