Message from @Light
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Literally just used to sell us shit
Enkrum, gender is defined by society
Inherently, sure, it's just personality, it's just self-expression in some manner
But as society has determined the gender of certain clothes, activites, etc.
It's thus part of gender expression
- which largely, if not entirely, derives from and correlated to biological sex.
That’s about on par with neglecting the genetic aspect composing a 60% influence in socioeconomic factors.
Do you consider someone wearing lipstick, a dress, with a lovely manicure done, going shopping as masculine as someone with... I don't know, a battleaxe aloft over their head, wearing nothing but the furs of animals they've personally hunted and wrestled, @Deleted User ?
(The answer is no)
You're recognizing gender expression in that moment
You're recognizing gender
Generally, expression and identity correlate, unless an individual is suppressing themselves, in which case, there might be a departure
But, in a Hagelian way, we seek to make others view us as we view ourselves
"gender" is just a term to solidify "gender expression" and "gender identity", it makes no comments on sex
We've got other terms to do that
Arising from latin, of course
trans-*, and cis-*
like 99% of people (or thereabouts, I don't know the number), are cis
But, there's those few instances
Since we're discussing in terms of hundreds of millions to billions of people
Anecdotal evidence to support your argument doesn’t particularly help when there is evidenced, underlying preferences utilized by both sexes that ultimately contributed to our preconceived notions of what a man prefers versus that of a woman.
If you’re attempting to quote or derive from the philosophy of Virginia Prince, who utilized virtually no scientific citations, nor was even engaged in the sciences, in her novels on attempting to challenge those established notions, then, as stated before, ultimately perpetuating the same absurdity as that of a creationist.
I'm sorry, what?
That didn't address anything I discussed
We see concepts of "gender" throughout history, across societies...
It varies a tidbit, mind you
I'm not arguing that the idea of "gender" isn't in part from certain characteristics of the corresponding sex, if that's what you presume I'm saying (albeit, even when there is a correspondence, it's often exaggerated to an unrealistic degree)
But my evidence isn't at all anecdotal
My clarity’s slipping out and it’s turning late; potentially I misread or whatnot.
Fair enough
Are you familiar with the Reimer incident.
I am - and I'd argue it proves my point
wow
that website is not reputable
at all
I’ll clear that up.
And get a new variant.
Ahhhh, here is the ASU page: https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/david-reimer-and-john-money-gender-reassignment-controversy-johnjoan-case
I did not see the sidelines of that one, kek.