The government does not bring national unity

The lack of a strong government would barely harm our national identity

@Joe The Communist : sorry, what do you mean done w/ you? had to step away.. sorry

I said I think he was done debating

ah', no not really

Yea....

my framing centers on human intention in that when someone has bad intention/unfair intention, everything else is obfuscation

most -isms/-ists can be brought back to that first principle and their nature's revealed

Okay

most things that go awry in terms of fairness is due to initial/ongoing bad/unfair intentions

nothing wrong with capitalism but ultimately that's not what we have for instance

nothing wrong with a free-market economy and equity markets but that's not what we have

So, i try not to get to caught up in the shell game economic/political/philosophical obfuscation

why do we have insane deficits? Because the bonehead govt decided to unfairly and negatively spend more than what it brings in year over year

simple fix to that

Unrelated fact: it is cold af in Michigan

but no one takes it .. yet will speak for decades about complex econ theory

why do the rich have more than the poor to an extent that its breaking society?

because markets aren't fair/regulated

and are anything but free-markets

or capitalistic

when people start getting real/truthful, then things will change

until then its all just smoke and mirrors

Social security.. smoke and mirrors

so they create 401ks

401ks smoke and mirrors so you get IRA

IRA smoke and mirrors so you get roth IRA

Human beings are fools for the infinite shell games they play when they're ultimately the ones that pay the price behind the shell games

not sure what to debate here

@Joe The Communist It absolutely harms it. What point is there in serving a nation that doesn’t serve you?

This is why revolutions happen dude.

does anyone want to private voice chat

You serve your nation to protect your home and way of life

When people were fighting on the beaches of D-day do you think they were fighting in the name of welfare and social security?

No

They were fighting for the American way of life and democracy

The year is 2011. It's a warm summer night. The windows are open and a breeze rolling through the curtains. You're leaning forward towards the screen, palms a little sweaty, working the controller with speed and precision. Your younger mind, free of the troubles that come later in life, is fully focused on the game, and able to think fast. Your eyes dart around the screen and the headset clasps around your head, keeping you locked in. A smile on your face as you play. This was the happiest and most content you'd ever been in your life, and you'll never forget it.

hey guys

@Joe The Communist And the american way of life is exactly what it is, not some fucked up corporatist dystopia.

@🅱oomer Ted Cruz wow faggot