I want self-reliance and division from government

@Joe The Communist That’s a great a plan for a Civil War and extremely low national stability which will create an environment ripe for imperialization from stronger unified nations.

There is more to a national community than taxes and free shit

If there isn’t than that country doesn’t need to exist

Ok the us is stronger than that though

@Deleted User I think he is done with me

@Joe The Communist there is more to a nation than that, but strong central government is a major part of a strong nation.

Self-reliance and factionalism will only weekend any ability to defend against an invader. It’s the difference between 1000 army ants attacking together and one by one.

The government does not bring national unity

The lack of a strong government would barely harm our national identity

@Joe The Communist : sorry, what do you mean done w/ you? had to step away.. sorry

I said I think he was done debating

ah', no not really

Yea....

my framing centers on human intention in that when someone has bad intention/unfair intention, everything else is obfuscation

most -isms/-ists can be brought back to that first principle and their nature's revealed

Okay

most things that go awry in terms of fairness is due to initial/ongoing bad/unfair intentions

nothing wrong with capitalism but ultimately that's not what we have for instance

nothing wrong with a free-market economy and equity markets but that's not what we have

So, i try not to get to caught up in the shell game economic/political/philosophical obfuscation

why do we have insane deficits? Because the bonehead govt decided to unfairly and negatively spend more than what it brings in year over year

simple fix to that

Unrelated fact: it is cold af in Michigan

but no one takes it .. yet will speak for decades about complex econ theory

why do the rich have more than the poor to an extent that its breaking society?

because markets aren't fair/regulated

and are anything but free-markets

or capitalistic

when people start getting real/truthful, then things will change

until then its all just smoke and mirrors

Social security.. smoke and mirrors

so they create 401ks

401ks smoke and mirrors so you get IRA

IRA smoke and mirrors so you get roth IRA

Human beings are fools for the infinite shell games they play when they're ultimately the ones that pay the price behind the shell games

not sure what to debate here

@Joe The Communist It absolutely harms it. What point is there in serving a nation that doesn’t serve you?

This is why revolutions happen dude.

does anyone want to private voice chat