In a sense, we're doing both

Donaldus let me converse this I can relate with what he is saying

but anyway Redd, what freedoms does it hamper?

like I'm not inherently trying to argue with you rn

taxes in specific go up the larger the government, as well as the greater chance of a tyrannical government

just discuss this *super* important stuff

You know you two go at it, I'll talk when you're done

2 totally different subjects here

ok yeah we want to avoid authoritarianism and losing money to inefficiency right

I'm guessing that's what you mean by tyranny

not necessarily inefficiency but due to large government spending more money the bigger they get requireing more taxes

forgive my spelling btw

ya same haha

I think that liberals don't want a bloated government

I don't think anybody does

right there

And if they do... I disagree with them

correction

yea?

Liberals in the modern sense do want a big government, to do just about everything, classical liberal is something you are more akin to, something center and more right

I try to avoid labels and stick to specifics, but you can consider me whatever you want

Don't get a leftist and a liberal confused, a true liberal would be Republican

But I think there's a difference between a big government and a government that is too large to function efficiently, financially. What are programs that you think shouldn't exist via the government?

modern liberals - leftists

NSA

easily

Yeah don't really care about labels they seem unnecessary to individual conversations

FBI CIA

So federal crimes shouldn't be investigated?

or... just shouldn't exist I guess?

and more controversially the federal bank or whatever which controls currency

Wait so you want an unregulated currency and no federal protection from crime?

federal crimes are a thing in a sense but should not be in such a big org as they are

just wait for that

ok so you're really saying that the FBI, CIA, and NSA are too big for what they should be

and could be smaller, but not nonexistant?

federal currency was still a thing before the current whatever is in place, it was backed by silver and gold, nowadays it's backed by nothing

CIA Gone

FBI much smaller and more elite and efficient

NSA gone

unless national crisis in which case highly limited capacity