taxes government being too big and such

Let's say that's a problem, and largely I agree, that should be protected

continue

So we want our citizens to be safe and secure right

exactly

I'm just like establishing the good faith of this conversation, we have the same interests at heart

We want our people to prosper, in terms of health and finances

all of our people, rich and poor yea

yes

At least to the extent of a meritocracy

ok cool

So, we want our people to do great. Awesome. Now, there's the question: does a larger government hamper that ability

I assume via beaurocratic inefficiency...?

I spelled that wrong

Frankly the point is, we can't work together if that's what you are trying to say. Also the libs points are pretty garbage, so stumping them is pretty fun

for the most part no, BUT it does hamper freedoms

If you want progress, don't talk to the libs

Dude what I'm a lib talking to you right now about progress you're the one not wanting to talk about this

In a sense, we're doing both

Donaldus let me converse this I can relate with what he is saying

but anyway Redd, what freedoms does it hamper?

like I'm not inherently trying to argue with you rn

taxes in specific go up the larger the government, as well as the greater chance of a tyrannical government

just discuss this *super* important stuff

You know you two go at it, I'll talk when you're done

2 totally different subjects here

ok yeah we want to avoid authoritarianism and losing money to inefficiency right

I'm guessing that's what you mean by tyranny

not necessarily inefficiency but due to large government spending more money the bigger they get requireing more taxes

forgive my spelling btw

ya same haha

I think that liberals don't want a bloated government

I don't think anybody does

right there

And if they do... I disagree with them

correction

yea?

Liberals in the modern sense do want a big government, to do just about everything, classical liberal is something you are more akin to, something center and more right

I try to avoid labels and stick to specifics, but you can consider me whatever you want

Don't get a leftist and a liberal confused, a true liberal would be Republican

But I think there's a difference between a big government and a government that is too large to function efficiently, financially. What are programs that you think shouldn't exist via the government?