Message from @Donaldus Triumphus
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I'm just like establishing the good faith of this conversation, we have the same interests at heart
We want our people to prosper, in terms of health and finances
all of our people, rich and poor yea
yes
At least to the extent of a meritocracy
ok cool
So, we want our people to do great. Awesome. Now, there's the question: does a larger government hamper that ability
I assume via beaurocratic inefficiency...?
I spelled that wrong
Frankly the point is, we can't work together if that's what you are trying to say. Also the libs points are pretty garbage, so stumping them is pretty fun
for the most part no, BUT it does hamper freedoms
If you want progress, don't talk to the libs
Dude what I'm a lib talking to you right now about progress you're the one not wanting to talk about this
In a sense, we're doing both
Donaldus let me converse this I can relate with what he is saying
but anyway Redd, what freedoms does it hamper?
like I'm not inherently trying to argue with you rn
taxes in specific go up the larger the government, as well as the greater chance of a tyrannical government
just discuss this *super* important stuff
You know you two go at it, I'll talk when you're done
ok yeah we want to avoid authoritarianism and losing money to inefficiency right
I'm guessing that's what you mean by tyranny
not necessarily inefficiency but due to large government spending more money the bigger they get requireing more taxes
forgive my spelling btw
ya same haha
I think that liberals don't want a bloated government
I don't think anybody does
right there
And if they do... I disagree with them
correction
yea?
Liberals in the modern sense do want a big government, to do just about everything, classical liberal is something you are more akin to, something center and more right
I try to avoid labels and stick to specifics, but you can consider me whatever you want
Don't get a leftist and a liberal confused, a true liberal would be Republican
But I think there's a difference between a big government and a government that is too large to function efficiently, financially. What are programs that you think shouldn't exist via the government?
modern liberals - leftists
NSA
easily
Yeah don't really care about labels they seem unnecessary to individual conversations
FBI CIA