and you know the only way we can get these things done due to the libs being so stubborn

as well as the thinking of a more diverse culture is a better culture, which to a degree may be better

is by a red wave

and there's a tremendous bias from conservatives to whatever trump does... as evidenced by your parenthesis after

but at a very specific percentage

things go from perfectly fine to horrible

thats England

Ok but let's pull back a sec. Redd I think you hit the core thing you're worried about: freedoms being hurt by various factors right?

yes

taxes government being too big and such

Let's say that's a problem, and largely I agree, that should be protected

continue

So we want our citizens to be safe and secure right

exactly

I'm just like establishing the good faith of this conversation, we have the same interests at heart

We want our people to prosper, in terms of health and finances

all of our people, rich and poor yea

yes

At least to the extent of a meritocracy

ok cool

So, we want our people to do great. Awesome. Now, there's the question: does a larger government hamper that ability

I assume via beaurocratic inefficiency...?

I spelled that wrong

Frankly the point is, we can't work together if that's what you are trying to say. Also the libs points are pretty garbage, so stumping them is pretty fun

for the most part no, BUT it does hamper freedoms

If you want progress, don't talk to the libs

Dude what I'm a lib talking to you right now about progress you're the one not wanting to talk about this

In a sense, we're doing both

Donaldus let me converse this I can relate with what he is saying

but anyway Redd, what freedoms does it hamper?

like I'm not inherently trying to argue with you rn

taxes in specific go up the larger the government, as well as the greater chance of a tyrannical government

just discuss this *super* important stuff

You know you two go at it, I'll talk when you're done

2 totally different subjects here

ok yeah we want to avoid authoritarianism and losing money to inefficiency right

I'm guessing that's what you mean by tyranny

not necessarily inefficiency but due to large government spending more money the bigger they get requireing more taxes

forgive my spelling btw

ya same haha

I think that liberals don't want a bloated government