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Ok but cmon
And what if they didn’t?
95% chance
Then their story would be different
Then that would be extremely unfair
Conservatives believe in trial by evidence and facts. Liberals say if you are smiling you are guilty.
Like children on a playground.
Ridiculous and reductive
Well because conservatives want an investigation
Not presumption of guilt
Everybody wants an investigation
And why not presumption of innocence for international matters?
What changed?
That never existed
But it shows that if given the chance liberals will most likely say they are guilty
This is not about the Constitution
But it is about morality
No, it doesn’t, it shows that people who look at the situation fairly will say: Saudi Arabia probably did it
Presumption of innocence is moral in all situations
Clarify
Let me think of an example
Ok as an example of a situation in which conservatives ignored presumption of innocence: the invasion of Iraq because we suspected they had weapons of mass destruction. This isn’t an example of when presumption of innocence is immoral (it was moral in this case) but it is an example of conservatives flip flopping on this issue.
Still thinking of a time where presumption of innocence didn’t work on an international scale.
We invaded Iraq because they launched an act of war upon our nation
Which was?
9/11
Those were saudis...
But they had extreme ties to it
And supported terror groups
Ok but you realize how ironic that was right
When the ally your defending was the demographic that actually did 9/11
And just murdered a journalist
They just happened to be from Saudi Arabia
Its like if an American commits a crime
It wasn’t the government
True, I’m not saying it was their government, just pointing out your irony
Also in the same vein... it wasn’t the Iraqi government
All I am saying is that we should preserve all allies we have