Message from @earlten1511
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But it shows that if given the chance liberals will most likely say they are guilty
This is not about the Constitution
But it is about morality
No, it doesn’t, it shows that people who look at the situation fairly will say: Saudi Arabia probably did it
Presumption of innocence is moral in all situations
Heck no it isn’t
Clarify
Let me think of an example
Ok as an example of a situation in which conservatives ignored presumption of innocence: the invasion of Iraq because we suspected they had weapons of mass destruction. This isn’t an example of when presumption of innocence is immoral (it was moral in this case) but it is an example of conservatives flip flopping on this issue.
Still thinking of a time where presumption of innocence didn’t work on an international scale.
We invaded Iraq because they launched an act of war upon our nation
Which was?
9/11
Those were saudis...
But they had extreme ties to it
And supported terror groups
Ok but you realize how ironic that was right
When the ally your defending was the demographic that actually did 9/11
And just murdered a journalist
Its like if an American commits a crime
It wasn’t the government
True, I’m not saying it was their government, just pointing out your irony
Also in the same vein... it wasn’t the Iraqi government
All I am saying is that we should preserve all allies we have
How about this: the holocaust. Very little was known for a while about what the Germans were doing with their internment camps. Should we have applied the presumption of innocence to them?
We should have done an investigation
Ok so we should preserve Canada and the EU
If they take advantage then no
Saudi Arabia just took advantage in a huge way
Can’t confirm
So instead of stopping the holocaust we should have investigated that...
Nice
No...
Also, we may never get more evidence than what we currently have
We need to make decisions
Yes but we have to weight the risk vs rewards
Absolutely
Countries that are allies with China
China has done some bad things