I disagree

If things gradually rot over, they can win

It is critical that the shared stress of America be raised to an unbearable level that displaces our creature comforts like Netflix

@Mr1Gonzalez liberal vs cons?

when

The. Civil. War.

semen

How about we don’t have a civil war and just keep doin representative democracy

How about we have a civil war

And become a single party nation

So we don’t have to deal with the shitty slow democratic process

Because that’s the tyranny that caused America to exist in the first place?

If you do that you gon get some very unhappy people

Democratic republics can become the most tyrannical of any system

Everybody knows what is happening when a tyrant king abuses them, but a republic gives people the illusion of control.

a lot of people would rather not know that tyranny exists

This is true. But democratic republics, like you say, also can not be that

And it’s up to the people to make their government work better, to some degree

Seems like a way better deal than guaranteed tyranny

Of course, either system is what you make it

but a monarchy is far from guaranteed tyranny

I mean, any democratic system has much more ability to become what the people want. Aka the absence of tyranny.

What I see as the breaking point is information technology combined with lobbying. The inundation of politicized news and "new civics" over the last 60 years has been able to influence to a huge extent "what the people want".

Absolutely! We need better rules about lobbying

We need better people in positions of power in the private sector

Well that’s a non sequitur but aight

it is not

I mean we were talking about lobbying, can we agree that there will always be people who act in bad faith from the position of private sectors?

not to the extent we have now, this is not normal

Which means we will always need protection from lobbying

Sure, it can be abnormal

We’re not disagreeing rn I think

only a little bit yeah

corruption is a problem that every society ever has tried to tackle

our way has its pros and cons like any other

But I think a valid strategy for dealing with lobbying is to approach it from the perspective of regulations against lobbying

Definitely

it just goes under teh table then

that is what corruption is in most of the world

Make there be watchdogs for that

But anyway, I’m confused what your solution is? How do you get better people in better positions?