Message from @🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼
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i'm gonna demonstrate how
why is murder wrong
so much that every society disagrees with it.
Murder is just killing without a valid reason. Doesn't matter why it's wrong, if you are unable to understand it.
yes but now you have to *show* what a valid reason is and for pro-choice people they *have* valid reasons that you just dont *think are valid* so your entire argument is subjective
No, I do not.
There are medical rules
"do no harm"
OK
If a life is at risk, you can end one to save it.
now you see where pain goes into this
you said 'harm'
harm is a form of pain
So like conjoined twins
therefore your argument is based on 'pain'
No
so now we argue
Harm is damage
do fetus feel pain?
wrong argument
hurt is pain
so society does damage to the life of the women by refusing them the right to an abortion. socioeconomic damage and psychological damage if they are unprepared to have children, so that means society is doing something wrong this is the pro-choice argument
"do fetus feel pain?" Also, this is irrelevant.
their argument is no less valid then your 'harm' argument
so now it's about playing to people's emotions
"so society does damage to the life of the women by refusing them the right to an abortion. socioeconomic damage and psychological damage if they are unprepared to have children, so that means society is doing something wrong this is the pro-choice argument" No, the problem here is having unprotected sex without being prepared for the consequences. Being irresponsible is no justification for murder.
so you're saying that the women should be a slave to their children because of a mistake they made 🤔
"so now it's about playing to people's emotions" How is this relevant?
you're calling it murder
but murder is subjectively defined
"so you're saying that the women should be a slave to their children because of a mistake they made 🤔
How is that slavery?
because they don't have a 'choice' in whether they want children or not anymore
it's now something involuntary
similar to a slave not having a choice to not serve their master.
"you're calling it murder
but murder is subjectively defined" No, murder is entirely objective.
"because they don't have a 'choice' in whether they want children or not anymore
it's now something involuntary
similar to a slave not having a choice to not serve their master."
no???
How do you get that?
my point being is that you don't
A) Have an objective definition for murder, you're highlighting that' 'killing without reason' is just what society believes is not a valid reason
B) your definition of harm is 'subjective' and you're never focusing on how it affects the woman
valid reason is a subjective phrasing
there's nothing that means what i believe to be a valid reason to kill