Message from @An Elbow

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2018-05-20 09:36:39 UTC  

So?

it's wishy washy

it's based on how you define 'human'

2018-05-20 09:36:53 UTC  

no

or when 'gametes' become human

which is disagreeable

or when theyre 'alive'

or 'feel pain'

2018-05-20 09:37:12 UTC  

????

ok lets step it back why is murder wrong?

2018-05-20 09:37:27 UTC  

How are these relevant in the slightest?

i'm gonna demonstrate how

why is murder wrong

so much that every society disagrees with it.

2018-05-20 09:38:57 UTC  

Murder is just killing without a valid reason. Doesn't matter why it's wrong, if you are unable to understand it.

yes but now you have to *show* what a valid reason is and for pro-choice people they *have* valid reasons that you just dont *think are valid* so your entire argument is subjective

2018-05-20 09:39:59 UTC  

No, I do not.

2018-05-20 09:40:11 UTC  

There are medical rules

2018-05-20 09:40:18 UTC  

"do no harm"

2018-05-20 09:40:42 UTC  

If a life is at risk, you can end one to save it.

now you see where pain goes into this

you said 'harm'

harm is a form of pain

2018-05-20 09:40:52 UTC  

So like conjoined twins

therefore your argument is based on 'pain'

2018-05-20 09:40:58 UTC  

No

so now we argue

2018-05-20 09:41:03 UTC  

Harm is damage

do fetus feel pain?

2018-05-20 09:41:31 UTC  

wrong argument

harm is 'damage'

2018-05-20 09:41:41 UTC  

hurt is pain

so society does damage to the life of the women by refusing them the right to an abortion. socioeconomic damage and psychological damage if they are unprepared to have children, so that means society is doing something wrong this is the pro-choice argument

2018-05-20 09:42:26 UTC  

"do fetus feel pain?" Also, this is irrelevant.

their argument is no less valid then your 'harm' argument

so now it's about playing to people's emotions

2018-05-20 09:43:33 UTC  

"so society does damage to the life of the women by refusing them the right to an abortion. socioeconomic damage and psychological damage if they are unprepared to have children, so that means society is doing something wrong this is the pro-choice argument" No, the problem here is having unprotected sex without being prepared for the consequences. Being irresponsible is no justification for murder.

so you're saying that the women should be a slave to their children because of a mistake they made 🤔

2018-05-20 09:44:12 UTC  

"so now it's about playing to people's emotions" How is this relevant?

you're calling it murder