or when theyre 'alive'

or 'feel pain'

????

ok lets step it back why is murder wrong?

How are these relevant in the slightest?

i'm gonna demonstrate how

why is murder wrong

so much that every society disagrees with it.

Murder is just killing without a valid reason. Doesn't matter why it's wrong, if you are unable to understand it.

yes but now you have to *show* what a valid reason is and for pro-choice people they *have* valid reasons that you just dont *think are valid* so your entire argument is subjective

No, I do not.

There are medical rules

"do no harm"

OK

If a life is at risk, you can end one to save it.

now you see where pain goes into this

you said 'harm'

harm is a form of pain

So like conjoined twins

therefore your argument is based on 'pain'

No

so now we argue

Harm is damage

do fetus feel pain?

wrong argument

harm is 'damage'

hurt is pain

so society does damage to the life of the women by refusing them the right to an abortion. socioeconomic damage and psychological damage if they are unprepared to have children, so that means society is doing something wrong this is the pro-choice argument

"do fetus feel pain?" Also, this is irrelevant.

their argument is no less valid then your 'harm' argument

so now it's about playing to people's emotions

"so society does damage to the life of the women by refusing them the right to an abortion. socioeconomic damage and psychological damage if they are unprepared to have children, so that means society is doing something wrong this is the pro-choice argument" No, the problem here is having unprotected sex without being prepared for the consequences. Being irresponsible is no justification for murder.

so you're saying that the women should be a slave to their children because of a mistake they made 🤔

"so now it's about playing to people's emotions" How is this relevant?

you're calling it murder

but murder is subjectively defined

"so you're saying that the women should be a slave to their children because of a mistake they made 🤔
How is that slavery?

because they don't have a 'choice' in whether they want children or not anymore

it's now something involuntary

similar to a slave not having a choice to not serve their master.

"you're calling it murder
but murder is subjectively defined" No, murder is entirely objective.

"because they don't have a 'choice' in whether they want children or not anymore
it's now something involuntary
similar to a slave not having a choice to not serve their master."
no???