yes it is

No

there are two families of morality the objective one and the idealist one

under capitalism we follow an idealist set of morality

so yes morality right now is wishy washy

No

Ownership and life are important and concrete. Other things are less certain

this set of morality doesn't really talk about material conditions.

So?

it's wishy washy

it's based on how you define 'human'

no

or when 'gametes' become human

which is disagreeable

or when theyre 'alive'

or 'feel pain'

????

ok lets step it back why is murder wrong?

How are these relevant in the slightest?

i'm gonna demonstrate how

why is murder wrong

so much that every society disagrees with it.

Murder is just killing without a valid reason. Doesn't matter why it's wrong, if you are unable to understand it.

yes but now you have to *show* what a valid reason is and for pro-choice people they *have* valid reasons that you just dont *think are valid* so your entire argument is subjective

No, I do not.

There are medical rules

"do no harm"

OK

If a life is at risk, you can end one to save it.

now you see where pain goes into this

you said 'harm'

harm is a form of pain

So like conjoined twins

therefore your argument is based on 'pain'

No

so now we argue

Harm is damage

do fetus feel pain?

wrong argument

harm is 'damage'

hurt is pain