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With the Dems around, its actually a mess to kick Illegals out
they come in, they break the law, we catch and release and then they dont show up. If we just stop them from coming in at all then they wont get protected by these sanctuary garbage states
Cant get protected by the US if they arent in the US ***tips maga hat***
1) they can go around the wall. 2) I think it would be much easier to convince moderates to increase border security than it would to convince them to construct a wall, i don't think liberals are against criminals being deported if you prove they are criminals. 3) if they are legal immigrants we will have a much easier time enforcing US laws. so we should allow more legal immigration
@Mystic Mudsdale Hey welcome, how you doing
hey im good u/
Yah I'm doing great
who invited u?
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Probably gonna have my final grade be over 100 percent in sociology 101
Lol
Walls do work.
They worked in Berlin, contrary to popular belief, they work in Hungary, they work in Israel.
The Great Wall of China did actually work, a good portion of it was built during the Ming Dynasty after the Mongol invasions.
"u can go around it lol" is the laziest nonargument in existence.
Turn on your brain.
The Great Wall of China is actually a great parallel because it wasn't built to keep armies out, it was built both as a communication line to warn of armies and to keep small-scale raids at bay.
And it did both of these things perfectly.
It was also built to prevent smuggling as traders would be forced to go through gates where they could be taxed. Obvious parallel is vetting potential citizens coming here legally.
The Jurchens were able to pass through the wall with ease because a Ming general defected.
tl;dr walls work fuck off.
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@Fish Prove me wrong.
Correct me if im wrong, i think hungarys borderwall is on the serbian border, which is very very tiny compared to the USA mexico border. Also yeah i would perfer the china method of a "Wall", i do support watch towers and portions of the border being an actuall wall. But from what i understand, trump wants a giant slab of concrete between the USA and mexico. Considering that the infastructure in the USA is so shit and our bridges keep falling down because we cant maintain them, I do not belive that a 2,000 mile wall can be properly mainitained by the government. Not only will it cost alot to build, but the maintnence of the materials and checking for people who dig under the wall will be crazy. So yes in theory a wall will keep people out, but in practice i don't think a 2000 mile wall will ever be properly maintained. Also you didn't counter my argument about the mexicans building boats
according to google the berlin wall was 66 miles
But it worked for China.
The Song dynasty the Mongols invaded did not even control the wall at its largest extent.
like yyou said it wasnt a proper wall
It was by the time of the Ming.
did the ming even get invaded?
Yes, but the Jurchens.
i think the imploded from civil war
But as I said this was due to a Ming general's defection.
okay thats fine, but the earlier wall failed at keeping out the mongols
and the ming wall was never used
As I said, the Song didn't even control the wall.
So the Mongols never had to fight against the wall.
I believe most of it was controlled by the Liao who were extremely weak and inconsequential.
Definitely not maintained by them.