Turn on your brain.

The Great Wall of China is actually a great parallel because it wasn't built to keep armies out, it was built both as a communication line to warn of armies and to keep small-scale raids at bay.

And it did both of these things perfectly.

It was also built to prevent smuggling as traders would be forced to go through gates where they could be taxed. Obvious parallel is vetting potential citizens coming here legally.

The Jurchens were able to pass through the wall with ease because a Ming general defected.

tl;dr walls work fuck off.

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@Fish Prove me wrong.

Correct me if im wrong, i think hungarys borderwall is on the serbian border, which is very very tiny compared to the USA mexico border. Also yeah i would perfer the china method of a "Wall", i do support watch towers and portions of the border being an actuall wall. But from what i understand, trump wants a giant slab of concrete between the USA and mexico. Considering that the infastructure in the USA is so shit and our bridges keep falling down because we cant maintain them, I do not belive that a 2,000 mile wall can be properly mainitained by the government. Not only will it cost alot to build, but the maintnence of the materials and checking for people who dig under the wall will be crazy. So yes in theory a wall will keep people out, but in practice i don't think a 2000 mile wall will ever be properly maintained. Also you didn't counter my argument about the mexicans building boats

according to google the berlin wall was 66 miles

But it worked for China.

The Song dynasty the Mongols invaded did not even control the wall at its largest extent.

like yyou said it wasnt a proper wall

It was by the time of the Ming.

did the ming even get invaded?

Yes, but the Jurchens.

i think the imploded from civil war

But as I said this was due to a Ming general's defection.

okay thats fine, but the earlier wall failed at keeping out the mongols

and the ming wall was never used

As I said, the Song didn't even control the wall.

So the Mongols never had to fight against the wall.

I believe most of it was controlled by the Liao who were extremely weak and inconsequential.

Definitely not maintained by them.

Yeah i understand, the wall was used mainly as watchtowers to keep out raiders

it was never a fully connected wall

It was under the Ming.

If the Jurchens had tried to attack the wall during the Ming period they would have failed most likely.

But all of that is irrelevant, the Mexican border wall won't be used for the military.

It will be used to control immigrants.

And even pre-Ming the wall was very good at this, with traders.

Most people aren't going to be using boats. It isn't Cuba, where people are facing death.

Stories of cartel towns are greatly exaggerated. Not the norm at all.

Most people come here for a better life. If they were in fear for their lives they would seek asylum.

stories of illegal immigrants are greatly exagerated lol

But they don't do that.

I will have to do more research, i don't know how much manpower, resources and money the ming used to maintain the wall

People want to come here and don't care about being citizens, they just want to reap the benefits of living here. The fact that this is being pushed for acceptance and that the contrary is seen as "racist" is a fucking joke. It's a violation of our sovereignty.

People who come here illegally are just fucking over people who want to come here legally.

i don't belive the narritive that they are just coming here to "reap the benefits" i would love to see statistics on that instead of trump just telling stories. We should remove immigration quotas and increase the budget for background checkers, and kick out people with violent pasts

Multiculturalism is a failure. My parents were born in Hungary, and refused to speak Hungarian when I was growing up so I would know English and be successful. This is how things used to be.