hello

haist is a trump supporter?

lmao

i don't belive that

i wish i could like trump. but he has to go and build a wall. smh

waste of money

make legal immigration easier, they will legaly cross, we can tax them, and throw them out if they fail background checks or commit crimes

no need for billion dollar wall

i don't understand how a wall is the most effective solution here

also, why cant they get on boats and immigrate to florida?

or missisipii

or cali

syrians can make boats, im sure mexican can also

yeah

defund those shit holes

well my other points stand for it not being an effective solution to the problem

trump would be a great prez if he gave up the wall

now hes just okay

1) they can go around the wall. 2) I think it would be much easier to convince moderates to increase border security than it would to convince them to construct a wall, i don't think liberals are against criminals being deported if you prove they are criminals. 3) if they are legal immigrants we will have a much easier time enforcing US laws. so we should allow more legal immigration

The limited wall decreases immigration in those areas because they will go to areas without walls. I suppose well have to wait and see if a massive wall will really lower the rate of illegal immigrants. And yes i do think people who pass a background check should be allowed into the country, and then deported when they commit crimes because i believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Also, i do believe in a strong border, but I think the money will be better spent on surveillance, manpower and checkpoints. Not a massive wall.

@An Elbow XD

Correct me if im wrong, i think hungarys borderwall is on the serbian border, which is very very tiny compared to the USA mexico border. Also yeah i would perfer the china method of a "Wall", i do support watch towers and portions of the border being an actuall wall. But from what i understand, trump wants a giant slab of concrete between the USA and mexico. Considering that the infastructure in the USA is so shit and our bridges keep falling down because we cant maintain them, I do not belive that a 2,000 mile wall can be properly mainitained by the government. Not only will it cost alot to build, but the maintnence of the materials and checking for people who dig under the wall will be crazy. So yes in theory a wall will keep people out, but in practice i don't think a 2000 mile wall will ever be properly maintained. Also you didn't counter my argument about the mexicans building boats

according to google the berlin wall was 66 miles

like yyou said it wasnt a proper wall

did the ming even get invaded?

i think the imploded from civil war

okay thats fine, but the earlier wall failed at keeping out the mongols

and the ming wall was never used

Yeah i understand, the wall was used mainly as watchtowers to keep out raiders

it was never a fully connected wall

stories of illegal immigrants are greatly exagerated lol

I will have to do more research, i don't know how much manpower, resources and money the ming used to maintain the wall

i don't belive the narritive that they are just coming here to "reap the benefits" i would love to see statistics on that instead of trump just telling stories. We should remove immigration quotas and increase the budget for background checkers, and kick out people with violent pasts

well i cant post images here

but immigration is way up and violent crimes are way down

you can look at the stats

okay so we have a tiny portion of immigrants commiting crimes

thats unavoidable

So if we just make legal immigration easier, and they crossed legally, everything would be fine?

*they all cross legally

what benefits do illegal immigrants get, that legal immigrants don't get?

So if we just increase the number of visas and staffers for background checks, then all illegal immigrants would just cross legally, because the process will be quicker.

why build a wall when we can increase the rate of legal immigration?

Yeah, i guess i just don't value "culture" like you do. I could care less if someone is uneducated or can't speak english

i really don't care if my neighbor is retarded

What values of mexican culture are so different from american? other than language

I don't see how mexican values really conflict with american values, they have a pretty similar constitution with freedoms and stuff. Infact i think mexicans are more apt to adapting to american society than eastern europeans. I guess making them speak english is fine, i don't really care. I think we share a pretty similar culture. I know that my italian family is catholic, i know mexicans are catholics. I really don't see the major cultural differences that would prevent them from living in american society. Mexicans are westerners just like americans

Alright

and you want a massive border wall keeping them out because?

So other than learning english, what else is importiant?

Okay, im wondering about the process. What values would a mexican have to give up, and what values would a mexican have to adopt to become an american?

personally i think they are basically americans, just learn english

yeah

idk i know many people who left highschool to go work at walmart. I don't see a problem with uneducated unskilled labor. They buy things and add to the economy just like everyone else

im also against drug trafffickers

i still don't think any of this warrents a wall

true

i guess like the mafia lol

idk im bored with this topic

good night 😄

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