When you emigrate illegally for the sole reason that there are more immigrants than we could take in legally you risk being turned away, denied citizenship, etc. and this is a real fear for immigrants.

So if we just increase the number of visas and staffers for background checks, then all illegal immigrants would just cross legally, because the process will be quicker.

So there aren't benefits. It's a matter of expedience to not go through the citizenship process and fear of being rejected.

why build a wall when we can increase the rate of legal immigration?

Because I don't think we should be bringing in thousands of illiterate poorly educated people who don't speak English and as it stands are not encouraged at all to assimilate.

I would turn most away.

I only want intelligent skilled workers.

My parents were intelligent skilled workers fleeing post-Soviet dirt poor Eastern Europe.

My family assimilated and we all speak English

This is the kind of immigration we need.

Yeah, i guess i just don't value "culture" like you do. I could care less if someone is uneducated or can't speak english

i really don't care if my neighbor is retarded

Citizenship processing is an assimilation process.

All people in a country should share basic values and ideology if not a shared history and race.

This is what makes a country a nation instead of a plot of land.

What values of mexican culture are so different from american? other than language

American values are rooted in Lockean liberal thought and religious freedom. Not so much a lack of shared values as a lack of emphasis on those in Mexico.

Cultural identity is important as well.

Americans should have a shared cultural identity.

Foremost and most superficially is a shared language.

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The standardization of language is credited with the creation of the nation-state in the 19th century.

10% of France spoke French in the 18th century.

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I don't see how mexican values really conflict with american values, they have a pretty similar constitution with freedoms and stuff. Infact i think mexicans are more apt to adapting to american society than eastern europeans. I guess making them speak english is fine, i don't really care. I think we share a pretty similar culture. I know that my italian family is catholic, i know mexicans are catholics. I really don't see the major cultural differences that would prevent them from living in american society. Mexicans are westerners just like americans

I didn't say they conflict, I said they aren't emphasized as much.

Alright

and you want a massive border wall keeping them out because?

A uniform language is the most important vehicle for assimilation

So other than learning english, what else is importiant?

Because it's a violation of our sovereignty and a slippery slope for weak border policy which WILL lead to criminals and drug traffickers to cross the border.

Becoming a citizen obviously.

There's a whole process where you effectively have to learn American values and become familiar with them.

It's not an easy process.

A lot of people prefer to skip it in their selfishness.

That's illegal immigration.

Okay, im wondering about the process. What values would a mexican have to give up, and what values would a mexican have to adopt to become an american?