nordic model = An elaborate social safety net, in addition to public services such as free education and universal healthcare[10] in a largely tax-funded system.[11]=socialism

Nordic Model is not socialism

Nordic countries are not socialist

Capitalist economy with socialist public services

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https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-democracy

Oh I see

That is the original defnation of Social Democracy

see

"the old definition"

Two definitions

Before modern times, Social Democracy was that

Old was basically democratic socialism

Modern Social Democracy is the Nordic Model

New is leftist capitalism

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You're just stealing the labels of other people's ideologies and passing it off as your own

Look, we’re just arguing over definitions instead of politics. It’s clear that there are multiple uses of the term “social democracy.”

So the Nordic countries are in a way socialist then?

yes

They have socialist public services like education. No one denies that.

But they also have capitalist market economies.

and healthcare

Yep

no one said they didn't have market economies

They have capitalism market economies

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The meaning of Socialism by google is: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

it'll slowly faze out and slowly become full blown socialism. all I'm saying is that these "tiny steps toward socialism" are a dangerous and slippery slope to full blown socialism.

New Social Democracy isn’t supposed to lead to socialism.

Wikipedia's definition is: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,"

>owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
So regulation **is** socialism

It’s supposed to be a system in itself.

I’m gonna call it OSD and NSD

its the same thing that happened with abortion. make it safe, legal, and rare, and only within the first 20 weeks.... That lead to abortion all the time because we say so and even after they're born. Its just SUPER dangerous when you start to even go down these paths

So Bernie is a NSD

Ye, although a fairly left one by US standards

anything slightly socialist will inevitably slide down the slippery slope until we've done ourselves in

Not really sure about that

that's what happens with all of these liberal policies