Message from @Anon365
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Two definitions
Before modern times, Social Democracy was that
Old was basically democratic socialism
Modern Social Democracy is the Nordic Model
New is leftist capitalism
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You're just stealing the labels of other people's ideologies and passing it off as your own
Look, we’re just arguing over definitions instead of politics. It’s clear that there are multiple uses of the term “social democracy.”
So the Nordic countries are in a way socialist then?
yes
They have socialist public services like education. No one denies that.
But they also have capitalist market economies.
and healthcare
Yep
no one said they didn't have market economies
They have capitalism market economies
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The meaning of Socialism by google is: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
it'll slowly faze out and slowly become full blown socialism. all I'm saying is that these "tiny steps toward socialism" are a dangerous and slippery slope to full blown socialism.
New Social Democracy isn’t supposed to lead to socialism.
Wikipedia's definition is: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,"
>owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
So regulation **is** socialism
It’s supposed to be a system in itself.
I’m gonna call it OSD and NSD
its the same thing that happened with abortion. make it safe, legal, and rare, and only within the first 20 weeks.... That lead to abortion all the time because we say so and even after they're born. Its just SUPER dangerous when you start to even go down these paths
So Bernie is a NSD
Ye, although a fairly left one by US standards
anything slightly socialist will inevitably slide down the slippery slope until we've done ourselves in
Not really sure about that
that's what happens with all of these liberal policies
The entire Western world has had social programs since at least the early 1900s and you can’t honestly say any of them are socialist.
European countries have NSD, and they are not socialist
So you are wrong
In fact, they’re generally less socialist than they were in the 60s or 70s
but it will get there, trust me
No
Europe is shifting right
So it is unlikely
Do you trust scientists on climate change? (Side question)
no
Well dang