New is leftist capitalism

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You're just stealing the labels of other people's ideologies and passing it off as your own

Look, we’re just arguing over definitions instead of politics. It’s clear that there are multiple uses of the term “social democracy.”

So the Nordic countries are in a way socialist then?

yes

They have socialist public services like education. No one denies that.

But they also have capitalist market economies.

and healthcare

Yep

no one said they didn't have market economies

They have capitalism market economies

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The meaning of Socialism by google is: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

it'll slowly faze out and slowly become full blown socialism. all I'm saying is that these "tiny steps toward socialism" are a dangerous and slippery slope to full blown socialism.

New Social Democracy isn’t supposed to lead to socialism.

Wikipedia's definition is: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,"

>owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
So regulation **is** socialism

It’s supposed to be a system in itself.

I’m gonna call it OSD and NSD

its the same thing that happened with abortion. make it safe, legal, and rare, and only within the first 20 weeks.... That lead to abortion all the time because we say so and even after they're born. Its just SUPER dangerous when you start to even go down these paths

So Bernie is a NSD

Ye, although a fairly left one by US standards

anything slightly socialist will inevitably slide down the slippery slope until we've done ourselves in

Not really sure about that

that's what happens with all of these liberal policies

The entire Western world has had social programs since at least the early 1900s and you can’t honestly say any of them are socialist.

European countries have NSD, and they are not socialist

So you are wrong

In fact, they’re generally less socialist than they were in the 60s or 70s

but it will get there, trust me

No

Europe is shifting right

So it is unlikely

Do you trust scientists on climate change? (Side question)

no

Well dang

Civilization will fall to socialism because I say so but global warming isn’t real despite abundant evidence to the contrary also because I say so

we have ice ages, we have droughts, its called weather over time and it happens on earth. It's the natural flow of the system and we have only been able to track weather patterns for the last 100 years so we have no data to go off of that says this is out of the norm compared to any other warm or cold spell we've ever had

sure, the earths temperature is changing, it does that all the time, we're not affecting it anymore than usual

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