Message from @Indigo

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2018-12-06 12:44:09 UTC  

He likes to keep himself clear for the most part from the MRA stuff, he used to be a major male feminist actually, I let him know the shit I get up to but I let him keep to himself if he doesn’t want to get involved, I think that is fair.

2018-12-06 12:48:06 UTC  

That's alright. Would you be interested in telling it instead, or keeping it private?

2018-12-06 12:48:31 UTC  

I think it would go very well in part 2 of the school stories article

2018-12-06 12:53:30 UTC  

Na, I don’t think he would be comfortable with it, he is still quite defensive about feminists and a little conscious of MRAs, probably the closest we get to fights is usually over feminist things, I like to think he is much more centred since being with me and I guess being together stops us from both getting echo chambered, I do know that sex trafficking is a bit of a problem in the Netherlands that effects a lot more women and he was friends with a girl who was effected by it, so I don’t try to change him, just correct his facts if he tries to spew something like rape culture or wage gap at me, lol

2018-12-06 13:01:45 UTC  

He is a really nice person though, he cares a lot more about others then himself and that scares me because he has that personality type where people immediately try to take advantage of him, when we first starting to get together properly I had to explain to him that he had in fact been sexually assaulted which he didn’t believe because it was a women who did it to him.

2018-12-06 13:04:43 UTC  

Okay. I understand. I do tend to think that whenever we are told that women are the primary target of something it does end up being 50/50 in almost every circumstance, however.

2018-12-06 13:12:04 UTC  

I had a look into it, I can’t remember the exact numbers but it was like somewhere a little over 10% (think it might have been 14% from memory but I am probably wrong) boys, and it is mostly effecting middle eastern women who are trafficked through the Netherlands (because they don’t enforce sex trafficking laws too well) and then out to the rest of Europe, and even though the way they market it is “save the girls” the goal is “stop the sex trafficking” so I don’t have an issue with that at all.

2018-12-06 13:14:51 UTC  

But he also knows that if he so much mentions wage gaps or women in education or rape myths I will go into fight mode. xD

2018-12-06 13:26:04 UTC  

We are a strange couple but thankfully something is working because it has been almost 6 years now xD

2018-12-06 13:50:07 UTC  

@Abbysol haha, nope, my introduction was basically just the first sentence, as my conclusion is basically just the last sentence of the second-to-last paragraph. I wrote this almost top to bottom and posted it as soon as I got something workable together. To be honest, I'm not yet sure what a softer introduction should be, partially because I'm not sure how...(didactic?) I want to be. I'm not sure if I ended up writing more of a beginners guide sort of thing or more of a topics in boys education sort of thing. What it is *not* is "why boys lag behind in education" because we don't really know the answer to that question and that is quite possibly more related to fatherlessness, boys being harder hit by not having a decent home environment, and that kind of thing. Rather it lends itself more to answering the question "Do school systems face challenges in dealing with boys? If so, what?" I guess. That wasn't really by intent, honestly.

2018-12-06 13:50:17 UTC  

Actually, it better answers the question "What challenges do boys face dealing with schools?".

2018-12-06 13:51:13 UTC  

I think that will probably end up being the approach I need to revise the article around. Then my plan is to add some questions to the beginning of the first paragraph as InsaneCatarpilla mentioned around that theme (probably changing or removing the first sentence) and call that an introduction. Or is there a better way to tie these ideas together in a neat bundle?

2018-12-06 13:57:12 UTC  

I think asking what are the challenges boys face is a better angle to look at it from, because being able to identify the problems will inherently lead into find solutions, I’m not a good writer so I can’t help much, but it was just a thing I noticed, just a short little primer at the start I think would help it flow a little better and help it to feel like a more natural read. 😃

2018-12-06 14:12:49 UTC  

For a while now, we have known that our boys have been struggling in education. Also, for a while now we have focused on improving our girls' performance in schools, and have been remarkably successful. Our attention now needs to be on preventing our boys' worsening ability to do well in school, but how do we achieve this? First, we must evaluate the reasons why our boys are not performing to the same standard...

2018-12-06 14:12:57 UTC  

Perhaps something like that.

2018-12-06 15:15:52 UTC  
2018-12-07 19:45:23 UTC  

I just want to say something.

2018-12-07 19:45:53 UTC  

I was reading articles on the website and I felt the urge to share them, but I'm scared that it will ruin my career.

2018-12-07 19:47:11 UTC  

Even finishing my studies would be hell on earth, because all the professors are feminists and left wing liberals

2018-12-07 19:47:18 UTC  

So I have to self-sensor.

2018-12-07 20:41:09 UTC  

Hold on dude, things are surely changing.

2018-12-08 11:40:08 UTC  

@Thijs Peters#9845 Thank you for saying that, but please don't ruin your career! There are ways around it though. You could say something like "I was shocked by this, what do other people think?" And then maybe avoid replying to anyone?

2018-12-08 16:12:19 UTC  

@Men Are Human we need to create a canned replies datbase

2018-12-08 16:13:39 UTC  

Compile the best arguments to create easy replies to the most frequently asked questions.

2018-12-08 16:14:15 UTC  

I think personalised replies are much more persuasive than someone spewed of a bot

2018-12-08 16:15:02 UTC  

I mean comped citations stats and sources

2018-12-08 16:15:09 UTC  

*compend

2018-12-08 16:15:27 UTC  

Let's say someone asks

2018-12-08 16:15:54 UTC  

Feminism is for men too.. Tell me reasons otherwise.

2018-12-08 16:18:06 UTC  

Men are horribly privileged, tell me areas where they aren't.

2018-12-08 16:18:52 UTC  

Women were oppressed throughout history and men are their oppressors

2018-12-08 16:21:21 UTC  

Do you know many feminists who honestly look for answers? To them, they are rhetoricals, and they wouldn't ask them

2018-12-08 16:22:08 UTC  

Still, even if they did... I think its better coming from you

2018-12-08 16:22:25 UTC  

Surely you have a better way of explaining things than a robot?

2018-12-08 16:22:32 UTC  

We need to be ready when they encounter such questions elsewhere on reddit or the wider internet.

2018-12-08 16:23:01 UTC  

Yes, ready through our own thoughts and opinions. Not through a standardisation

2018-12-08 16:23:16 UTC  

So that it needs minimal time and editing

2018-12-08 16:23:46 UTC  

I'm talking about quick replies to quick questions

2018-12-08 16:23:53 UTC  

But it will always need editing, one reply isn't gonna change peoples
' minds

2018-12-08 16:23:56 UTC  

The most mundane

2018-12-08 16:24:39 UTC  

What if I make a compilation of all places men are disadvantaged