they frustrate me so much, sometimes I want to loose my shit at them because their apathy towards men is just so blatant and apparent, I don't think it is because they are actively trying to be bad people, and we wont achieve anything by blocking ourselves off from each other.

However, this particular thread is not existing in a vacuum chamber. There is a long history of negative and abusive behavior between the two groups. The only reason for one to post such a link is for the group being discussed to see criticisms

@blueorange22 It is not nessecarily the positions of MRAs that are hateful, but rather the actions. I have read too many stories of feminists being harassed by self professed MRAs across the web.

the harassment happens on both sides

I've found that a lot of the time those harassments are actually legit criticisms.

it results in people becoming quite jaded

And other times it is rape and death threats @Men Are Human

@Men Are Human exactly. they accuse of us of being sexist and not really caring about mens rights. who the hell are they to make that call on our behalf?

from today "Their whole existence is explicitly antagonistic to the idea women deserve liberation. Feel free to click the links in that article because it sources most of what it is describing be it harassing behavior, misogynistic quotes, or distortion of facts. You state that Men's Rights has more facts on their side so I wonder if you actually have as critical an eye on their rhetoric. Most of what they say is to lay blame on women's feet or feminism but the problems they describe are societal problems that men are guilty of enforcing as well. I rarely ever see them propose an actual all-encompassing solution or address structural barriers to solve the problems they claim to care about."

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/aa7iss/why_do_you_guys_seem_to_hate_mens_rights_activists/

The problem on both sides is this: Each tries to paint the lowest common denominator of the opposing group as the average. Feminists are all painted as misandrist bigots, and MRAs are all painted as rape apologists

but thats ridiculous

we can show direct evidence of feminist supporting discriminatory law

and hate speech

you cant find examples from us because we dont do that

in an alternate world where MRAs had the power, no doubt the same thing would be shown

again, i maintain that by any reasonable standard, we are the more fair and rational side. you say "everything is subjective", but that could be said about anything. does make it sensible

doesnt*

we arent in an alternative world and you have absolutely no way of knowing that, thats purely speculative

The problem here is that we are comparing a group with hundreds of millions of members, to a group with only a few thousand. Logically there would be more examples of poor behavior from the vastly larger side, especially when you take into account Nolan's Law.

Talk about absolutely sexist and discriminatory laws feminists had made

we do have those examples- feminists opposing recognition f male rape victims in india, opposing equal conscription and equal pension ages, shutting down the MRM , etc

im doing just that right now on reddit

ill link my comment when its done

I am aware of those examples.

people DIE because of MR issues. when they spread disinformation that we are a hate group, they are HURTING people by hindering our efforts to help them

who do we hurt? whose rights do we try and take away?

there's no sensible comparison

Look, its 3 AM for me. I will reply to this in the morning, k?

night

ok

heres that comment https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aa9ww8/why_we_criticize_and_yes_even_attack_feminism/ecq9hcb/

Seems like I missed something...

Are you familiar with the askfeminists subreddit?

nope

Although I can imagine quite much from the title, I suppose

it was a the subject of debate. I believe it to be a sub that operates with malicious and intentionally disingenuous motives

Feminism in general is humanism, concentrating on the subsection of women rising. It has a place, imho. When it begins to assume inherit evil in men (or certain types of women), that's when they hold no more water. Evil takes many forms, and we live in a world infested with evil...and some of that evil is very intelligent and deceitful.

Feminism is not humanism, men's rights is not humanism. Humanism is humanism. It doesn't need to be bastardized.

Imho, there was a time when the concept of feminism in general was a worthwhile thing, however the way it was applied to our society was uneven and destroyed a previous system of benefits/responsibility for each gender, and because of the unequal application from the outset society has deteriorated to the point where men are second class citizens

I’d still say there’s a need for women’s rights advocacy around the world today; there is definitely legitimate need. It’s just what political feminist organizations tend to do isn’t really in line with fairness or equality