Message from @asparkofpyrokravte
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Okay. Shall we set a debate topic for today?
I can suggest one if people want
sure
How about the education gap?
What is there to debate about that one?
Everything! Policy, cause, means of redress, etc. scholarships, charities, etc. all around the world to.
It makes little sense for the privileged class in society to have LESS access or success in education
Alright then. let's hear what you think
well for starters, a very troubling trend is the bias in grading against boys. This is a systemic disadvantage:
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/16/female-teachers-give-male_n_1281236.html
https://seii.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SEII-Discussion-Paper-2016.07-Terrier-1.pdf
But how do you addrsss that? IMO there needs to be training and seminars about this, it needs to be part of training. It’s relevant, supported by evidence, and adverse to fair education
http://economics.mit.edu/files/10864 (“Family Disadvantage and the Gender Gap in Behavioral and Educational Outcomes” by David H. Autor, David N. Figlio, Krzysztof Karbownik, Jeffrey Roth, & Melanie Wasserman)
http://www.oecd.org/edu/Education-at-a-Glance-2014.pdf (Education at a Glance 2014 OECD indicators” from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development)
https://archive.is/6Vcug (Washington Post article “Poor boys are falling behind poor girls, and it’s deeply troubling”)
https://archive.is/cOUxS (“The Trouble with Boys: Social Influences and the Gender Gap in Disruptive Behavior” by Marianne Bertrand & Jessica Pan)
You do see it talked about, but not enough. It seems to get very little attention. And it doesn’t seem to be being fixed
There needs to be a standard and mandatory action
Something from the DOE. This kind of thing is their job (for the US)
The UNs programs for education are often very one sided . They, of course, completely ignore areas where boys are the gender with lower enrollment rates
What kind of mandatory action would you be talking about specifically?
It is very easy to say "action"
but in this case the types of actions to be taken can be rather disputable
I like this paper for a description of the types of actions that have been taken: https://equalitycanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Exploring-the-Boys-Crises-in-Education.pdf
And while I certainly disagree with some of that paper's conclusions, it does point out rather effectively that there aren't really easy answers here
I think one of the best examples of specifics I've gotten is this: http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/meread_andhow.pdf
but that is a lot of "do more of this" rather than some drastic change
its definitely not as simple as a straight legislative action, its not like pension ages, and i would NOT prefer seeing affirmative action for boys
i think its a very deeply embedded societal bias and the solution isnt easy
standardized grading policies for starters
but still, how our essays graded?
education when earning teachers certificate, and standards for that
Feminism and Nazism, a valid comparison or taking it a little too far?
Actually, it's close but a little off
Here's the comparison I make: https://quillette.com/2018/12/18/the-children-of-the-revolution/
It's spookily similar.
Can you draw parallels as male_positive does in that thread between feminism and those talked about in your link?
Absolutly
They operate via fear, using control of the universities and the young
The academics live in terror of them
They are literally cannibalizing their own movement
The entire thing is based on the hunt for 'enemy wrongthinkers'.
They use bullying to control language.
They took over the universities.