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@Dan da Dad you too bro
@King Bean 1st wave feminism was a lot more flawed than you might think. Second wave feminism was quite awful. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/
Now IIRC, to be fair, at the very start of 2nd wave the NOW (national organization for women), while still tackling gender equality in a sexist fashion, wasn't completely bonkers, but by the end of second wave I don't think one could say that.
Oh boy NOW
Now there's a group of stinkers.
Did you hear some of them praised Ms SCUM manifesto herself?
One of them smuggled the manuscript out of prison for her.
What really surprised me is that "10% of the population" was a 1st wave thing and didn't start with SCUM
1893
Yeah, there were references back to the 1800s
Probably earlier
I've got a post on it coming up
Btw, if anyone has any examples of people saying that let me know. Exact quotes are best
I've already gotten Gearheart.
the white feather campaign is a pretty good example of extremely toxic feminism
It is. I've got an entry on it I'm saving. Not sure if this should be a 'gendercidal feminists' list, or a slightly more general one.
Okay. Shall we set a debate topic for today?
I can suggest one if people want
How about the education gap?
What is there to debate about that one?
Everything! Policy, cause, means of redress, etc. scholarships, charities, etc. all around the world to.
It makes little sense for the privileged class in society to have LESS access or success in education
Alright then. let's hear what you think
well for starters, a very troubling trend is the bias in grading against boys. This is a systemic disadvantage:
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/16/female-teachers-give-male_n_1281236.html
https://seii.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SEII-Discussion-Paper-2016.07-Terrier-1.pdf
But how do you addrsss that? IMO there needs to be training and seminars about this, it needs to be part of training. It’s relevant, supported by evidence, and adverse to fair education
http://economics.mit.edu/files/10864 (“Family Disadvantage and the Gender Gap in Behavioral and Educational Outcomes” by David H. Autor, David N. Figlio, Krzysztof Karbownik, Jeffrey Roth, & Melanie Wasserman)
http://www.oecd.org/edu/Education-at-a-Glance-2014.pdf (Education at a Glance 2014 OECD indicators” from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development)
https://archive.is/6Vcug (Washington Post article “Poor boys are falling behind poor girls, and it’s deeply troubling”)
https://archive.is/cOUxS (“The Trouble with Boys: Social Influences and the Gender Gap in Disruptive Behavior” by Marianne Bertrand & Jessica Pan)
You do see it talked about, but not enough. It seems to get very little attention. And it doesn’t seem to be being fixed
There needs to be a standard and mandatory action
Something from the DOE. This kind of thing is their job (for the US)
The UNs programs for education are often very one sided . They, of course, completely ignore areas where boys are the gender with lower enrollment rates
What kind of mandatory action would you be talking about specifically?
It is very easy to say "action"
but in this case the types of actions to be taken can be rather disputable
I like this paper for a description of the types of actions that have been taken: https://equalitycanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Exploring-the-Boys-Crises-in-Education.pdf
And while I certainly disagree with some of that paper's conclusions, it does point out rather effectively that there aren't really easy answers here
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I think one of the best examples of specifics I've gotten is this: http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/meread_andhow.pdf
but that is a lot of "do more of this" rather than some drastic change