Message from @Men Are Human
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I like this paper for a description of the types of actions that have been taken: https://equalitycanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Exploring-the-Boys-Crises-in-Education.pdf
And while I certainly disagree with some of that paper's conclusions, it does point out rather effectively that there aren't really easy answers here
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I think one of the best examples of specifics I've gotten is this: http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/meread_andhow.pdf
but that is a lot of "do more of this" rather than some drastic change
its definitely not as simple as a straight legislative action, its not like pension ages, and i would NOT prefer seeing affirmative action for boys
i think its a very deeply embedded societal bias and the solution isnt easy
standardized grading policies for starters
but still, how our essays graded?
education when earning teachers certificate, and standards for that
Feminism and Nazism, a valid comparison or taking it a little too far?
Actually, it's close but a little off
Here's the comparison I make: https://quillette.com/2018/12/18/the-children-of-the-revolution/
It's spookily similar.
Can you draw parallels as male_positive does in that thread between feminism and those talked about in your link?
Absolutly
They operate via fear, using control of the universities and the young
The academics live in terror of them
They are literally cannibalizing their own movement
They use bullying to control language.
They took over the universities.
Most of their followers were conformists who simply followed along out of fear at the back of the gang.
I could rewrite that article to be a fictionalized account of the future of feminism very easily.
Of course, Nazism is close because authoritarianism is the real key part here.
I think both views have merit. I dont know if presenting such similarities to people uninformed on what feminism does is productive or not, because if you look at something seen as benign and that a lot of people seen as positive and compare it to something that has killed many, many people, they are likely to laugh it off and not do any research into how accurate it is
To be honest, almost all comparisons are like that.
Maybe, when it comes to the uninformed I'm largely on favour of letting facts and what feminists cause or dont care about speak for itself. If they were to be used though, even if it's 100% accurate, I'd rather go with something less extreme
they both operate using something called "milieu control", where they gain power by uniting and inflaming people against a perceived "enemy"; they dehumanize and demonize a class a people using psychological conditioning methods. for feminists today, that enemy class is white/cis white males/etc
Milieu control involves the control of communication within a group environment, that also may (or may not) result in a significant degree of isolation from surrounding society. When non-group members, or outsiders, are considered or potentially labeled as less valuable without basis for stated group-supported and group-reinforced prejudice, group members may have a tendency to then consider themselves as intellectually superior, which can limit alternate points of view, thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy in which group members automatically begin to devalue others and the intellect of others that are separate from their group, without logical rationale for doing so. Additionally, Milieu control "includes other techniques to restrict members' contact with the outside world and to be able to make critical, rational, judgments about information."[2]
also the lying and distortion of facts
yes, i think its a valid comparison, obvious not in how much damage has been done, but when the times and political era are weighed
Pretty much yeah.
and what they WOULD do. if someone lacks empathy to the point where they dont care if their policies kill a few thousands a year, they wouldnt suddenly feel wrong about killing a few million. they just dont have the means yet
however, i actually DO think a sizable percent of people who agree with feminism, maybe 75% or more, are regular people at heart who are just being mislead and misinformed. they dont realize the damage they do (also what the nazis did in the beginning, very positive speeches)
Yeah, the Nazis were very much like that.
There's this meme that says Nazism doesn't just turn up with a gun. Nazism starts off as your friend.
Even in Nazi Germany the majority of the populace didn't know the extent of the atrocities. But most people dint know that and can't draw a clear parallel between that same attitude happening today, because they look back and see the deaths and see nothing now. They won't analyse the policy similarities before dismissing it
No, they didn't