Message from @blueorange22

Discord ID: 529452474377961474


2018-12-31 00:53:42 UTC  

Alright then. let's hear what you think

2018-12-31 00:57:33 UTC  
2018-12-31 00:59:16 UTC  

But how do you addrsss that? IMO there needs to be training and seminars about this, it needs to be part of training. It’s relevant, supported by evidence, and adverse to fair education

2018-12-31 01:00:05 UTC  

http://economics.mit.edu/files/10864 (“Family Disadvantage and the Gender Gap in Behavioral and Educational Outcomes” by David H. Autor, David N. Figlio, Krzysztof Karbownik, Jeffrey Roth, & Melanie Wasserman)
http://www.oecd.org/edu/Education-at-a-Glance-2014.pdf (Education at a Glance 2014 OECD indicators” from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development)
https://archive.is/6Vcug (Washington Post article “Poor boys are falling behind poor girls, and it’s deeply troubling”)
https://archive.is/cOUxS (“The Trouble with Boys: Social Influences and the Gender Gap in Disruptive Behavior” by Marianne Bertrand & Jessica Pan)

2018-12-31 01:01:13 UTC  

You do see it talked about, but not enough. It seems to get very little attention. And it doesn’t seem to be being fixed

2018-12-31 01:01:24 UTC  

There needs to be a standard and mandatory action

2018-12-31 01:01:47 UTC  

Something from the DOE. This kind of thing is their job (for the US)

2018-12-31 01:23:52 UTC  

The UNs programs for education are often very one sided . They, of course, completely ignore areas where boys are the gender with lower enrollment rates

2019-01-01 00:09:23 UTC  

What kind of mandatory action would you be talking about specifically?

2019-01-01 00:09:30 UTC  

It is very easy to say "action"

2019-01-01 00:09:53 UTC  

but in this case the types of actions to be taken can be rather disputable

2019-01-01 00:10:39 UTC  

I like this paper for a description of the types of actions that have been taken: https://equalitycanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Exploring-the-Boys-Crises-in-Education.pdf

2019-01-01 00:11:09 UTC  

And while I certainly disagree with some of that paper's conclusions, it does point out rather effectively that there aren't really easy answers here

2019-01-01 00:13:19 UTC  

..

2019-01-01 00:13:32 UTC  

I think one of the best examples of specifics I've gotten is this: http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/meread_andhow.pdf

2019-01-01 00:14:12 UTC  

but that is a lot of "do more of this" rather than some drastic change

2019-01-01 00:14:14 UTC  

its definitely not as simple as a straight legislative action, its not like pension ages, and i would NOT prefer seeing affirmative action for boys

2019-01-01 00:14:35 UTC  

i think its a very deeply embedded societal bias and the solution isnt easy

2019-01-01 00:14:43 UTC  

standardized grading policies for starters

2019-01-01 00:14:49 UTC  

but still, how our essays graded?

2019-01-01 00:15:06 UTC  

education when earning teachers certificate, and standards for that

2019-01-01 09:22:48 UTC  

Feminism and Nazism, a valid comparison or taking it a little too far?

2019-01-01 09:31:19 UTC  

Actually, it's close but a little off

2019-01-01 09:31:47 UTC  
2019-01-01 09:33:02 UTC  

It's spookily similar.

2019-01-01 10:33:25 UTC  

Can you draw parallels as male_positive does in that thread between feminism and those talked about in your link?

2019-01-01 11:48:46 UTC  

Absolutly

2019-01-01 11:49:04 UTC  

They operate via fear, using control of the universities and the young

2019-01-01 11:49:11 UTC  

The academics live in terror of them

2019-01-01 11:49:32 UTC  

They are literally cannibalizing their own movement

2019-01-01 11:50:04 UTC  

The entire thing is based on the hunt for 'enemy wrongthinkers'.

2019-01-01 11:50:17 UTC  

They use bullying to control language.

2019-01-01 11:51:03 UTC  

They took over the universities.

2019-01-01 11:51:52 UTC  

Most of their followers were conformists who simply followed along out of fear at the back of the gang.

2019-01-01 11:52:51 UTC  

I could rewrite that article to be a fictionalized account of the future of feminism very easily.

2019-01-01 11:53:19 UTC  

Of course, Nazism is close because authoritarianism is the real key part here.

2019-01-01 11:59:05 UTC  

I think both views have merit. I dont know if presenting such similarities to people uninformed on what feminism does is productive or not, because if you look at something seen as benign and that a lot of people seen as positive and compare it to something that has killed many, many people, they are likely to laugh it off and not do any research into how accurate it is

2019-01-01 11:59:51 UTC  

To be honest, almost all comparisons are like that.

2019-01-01 12:02:24 UTC  

Maybe, when it comes to the uninformed I'm largely on favour of letting facts and what feminists cause or dont care about speak for itself. If they were to be used though, even if it's 100% accurate, I'd rather go with something less extreme

2019-01-01 12:03:24 UTC  

they both operate using something called "milieu control", where they gain power by uniting and inflaming people against a perceived "enemy"; they dehumanize and demonize a class a people using psychological conditioning methods. for feminists today, that enemy class is white/cis white males/etc