Also the whole thing how in Ancient Rome women where always put up on pedestals, the feminine was considered sacred and worshiped, specifically under the goddess Venus, sex also was much less demonised in Ancient Rome, bisexuality was accepted and that’s where you get the famous Roman orgies, in which both men and women took part in, but only the upper class as it was very frivolous and decadent

https://prepforthat.com/23andme-signs-300-million-deal-with-glaxosmithkline/

not exactly to debate but damn is it fucked up

Mate, the debate channel is for debating men's rights issues

If you wanna discuss that in <#512584678314606613> that's fine

Is ok to believe in the concept of Patriarchy BUT not believe in the concept of privilege?

Also why feminists can't understand these two are different things?

Sometimes it's hard to debate them.

Feminists have to blame others for their life otherwise its their own responsibility, and feminism is all about freeing women from responsibility

Yeah, I just avoid debating them at this point.

sometimes I need to scratch that itch

It’s why a lot of feminist scholars have abandoned the name patriarchy and use kyriarchy now... more or less same thing under a different name

I did not know that.

Contrary to a lot of feminists telling me I know nothing about feminism

what the hell is kyriarchy

also yeah I have noticed they have like... "evolved". like being a white feminist is now privileged against PoC feminists.

They canceled some women's March because there were too many white women

That privilege game is a result of a bunch of oppression obsessed idiots misinterpreting the point of intersectionalism

I don't think I would marry a feminist

it's the oppresion race. In order to have a higher ground and make my message more important and less debatable, I must suffer oppression. And now that everybody near me suffers oppression, I will find something else to be in a higher ground than everybody else.

Or the idea that group A is more oppressed then group B so Group B is not allowed to have an opinion on Group A however they are allowed to have an opinion on group B

The ideology is a torus. They get you on it and spin you around until the contradictions start to make sense.

@Jaibamon @Abbysol Very true, I think

@Uberduperdrew Probably best not to!

Male circumcision debate. Thought you lot would be interested... - https://redd.it/afifql

https://youtu.be/1mrAZnijYcc

Best not to what @Men Are Human

Marry a feminist. I guess it depends on which branch of feminism, but I wouldn't risk it. Plenty of other fish!

Oh

Yeah it's not worth the risk

@Jaibamon "Is ok to believe in the concept of Patriarchy BUT not believe in the concept of privilege? Also why feminists can't understand these two are different things?"

The best definition of patriarchy I could find comes from here: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Patriarchy

It implies privilege, and it also implies privilege is important/unjust

You can believe in privilege without believing in patriarchy, but I'm not sure you can do the other way around by that definition

Is there another common definition of patriarchy?

I think the approach of trying to infer a definition by useage is probably misguided in this case.

Patriarchy is just another feminist term for life or biological reality.

The system does not favour men or women

And If the system does not favour men at the cost of women, It cannot be called patriarchy rather than life reality. But at times women gets favored At the cost of men.

The powerful as well as the most powerless in the system is males