But I don't have anything that Pizzey said that would really demonstrate that

That said, I also don't have anything that would suggest that Pizzey actively tried to work with feminists either

What I did read was that feminists made an enemy out of her, not the other way around

sure, but that happened after she fled the country to the US

Just off the top of my head (don't quote me), I recall when she first opened the domestic violence shelter for women it was because she thought it was solely a woman's problem, only to find that a lot of the women abused their place at the shelter and were just as violent. While that's not solely a feminist view, I do think she was involved with feminism. They then turned against her when she pointed this out. That could be viewed as working with feminists till they made it impossible. Of course she never identified as an MRA though

At least not until joining AvFM. But anyways, please let it rip Sick, since you seem to have it ready

Oh, nvm, you did in the serious channel

Boy, you guys really had quite the debate there.

IMO it's difficult to justify the harassment and opposition feminists show towards the mere recognition of male victims of domestic violence, ESPECIALLY if they claim to "oppose gender stereotypes". if that were true, they'd be open to the idea that men can be victims

Yep. But that's how people who are wrong and know it act. People who actually believe they are right don't need to shout.

Unless it’s noisy...

Well, what I meant was they don't need to call you a bunch of names. Lol

And screach

Loki was just being witty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPm8Lg3GPBo

what do you make of this lads?

I think I saw some article or something along those lines, but I can't remember it all. I'll have to watch it later when I have time

Well going by the sensational title it looks kind of bs, since a lot of things contributed to the fall of Rome and something like feminism was probably the least of their worries

Mostly unsustainable growth and a standing military so large that it stretches their resources way too thin, as well as an internal uprising from what they liked to call “the barbarians”

Also the whole thing how in Ancient Rome women where always put up on pedestals, the feminine was considered sacred and worshiped, specifically under the goddess Venus, sex also was much less demonised in Ancient Rome, bisexuality was accepted and that’s where you get the famous Roman orgies, in which both men and women took part in, but only the upper class as it was very frivolous and decadent

https://prepforthat.com/23andme-signs-300-million-deal-with-glaxosmithkline/

not exactly to debate but damn is it fucked up

Mate, the debate channel is for debating men's rights issues

If you wanna discuss that in <#512584678314606613> that's fine

Is ok to believe in the concept of Patriarchy BUT not believe in the concept of privilege?

Also why feminists can't understand these two are different things?

Sometimes it's hard to debate them.

Feminists have to blame others for their life otherwise its their own responsibility, and feminism is all about freeing women from responsibility

Yeah, I just avoid debating them at this point.

sometimes I need to scratch that itch

It’s why a lot of feminist scholars have abandoned the name patriarchy and use kyriarchy now... more or less same thing under a different name

I did not know that.

Contrary to a lot of feminists telling me I know nothing about feminism

what the hell is kyriarchy

also yeah I have noticed they have like... "evolved". like being a white feminist is now privileged against PoC feminists.

They canceled some women's March because there were too many white women

That privilege game is a result of a bunch of oppression obsessed idiots misinterpreting the point of intersectionalism

I don't think I would marry a feminist

it's the oppresion race. In order to have a higher ground and make my message more important and less debatable, I must suffer oppression. And now that everybody near me suffers oppression, I will find something else to be in a higher ground than everybody else.

Or the idea that group A is more oppressed then group B so Group B is not allowed to have an opinion on Group A however they are allowed to have an opinion on group B