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Also why feminists can't understand these two are different things?
Sometimes it's hard to debate them.
Feminists have to blame others for their life otherwise its their own responsibility, and feminism is all about freeing women from responsibility
Yeah, I just avoid debating them at this point.
sometimes I need to scratch that itch
It’s why a lot of feminist scholars have abandoned the name patriarchy and use kyriarchy now... more or less same thing under a different name
I did not know that.
Contrary to a lot of feminists telling me I know nothing about feminism
what the hell is kyriarchy
also yeah I have noticed they have like... "evolved". like being a white feminist is now privileged against PoC feminists.
They canceled some women's March because there were too many white women
That privilege game is a result of a bunch of oppression obsessed idiots misinterpreting the point of intersectionalism
I don't think I would marry a feminist
it's the oppresion race. In order to have a higher ground and make my message more important and less debatable, I must suffer oppression. And now that everybody near me suffers oppression, I will find something else to be in a higher ground than everybody else.
Or the idea that group A is more oppressed then group B so Group B is not allowed to have an opinion on Group A however they are allowed to have an opinion on group B
The ideology is a torus. They get you on it and spin you around until the contradictions start to make sense.
@Uberduperdrew Probably best not to!
Male circumcision debate. Thought you lot would be interested... - https://redd.it/afifql
Marry a feminist. I guess it depends on which branch of feminism, but I wouldn't risk it. Plenty of other fish!
Oh
Yeah it's not worth the risk
@Jaibamon "Is ok to believe in the concept of Patriarchy BUT not believe in the concept of privilege? Also why feminists can't understand these two are different things?"
The best definition of patriarchy I could find comes from here: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Patriarchy
It implies privilege, and it also implies privilege is important/unjust
You can believe in privilege without believing in patriarchy, but I'm not sure you can do the other way around by that definition
Is there another common definition of patriarchy?
I think the approach of trying to infer a definition by useage is probably misguided in this case.
Patriarchy is just another feminist term for life or biological reality.
The system does not favour men or women
And If the system does not favour men at the cost of women, It cannot be called patriarchy rather than life reality. But at times women gets favored At the cost of men.
The powerful as well as the most powerless in the system is males
What do you mean by 'the system'? Because if you are referring to our courts/prisons/even laws such as VAWA and discriminatory hiring biases and scholorships, the system overwhelmingly favours women
The 'natural system'
Patriarchy is just another unnecessary word for life(biological) reality as Mansplaining is another word for condescension.
Both designed to shift the blame onto men.
Yep
That and toxic mascalinity
the funny part I find, I grew up in a household that was half Samoan, my stepdad and most of my siblings being Samoan in lineage, that is actually a legitimate patriarchal culture, it's not that bad honestly, just the idea of the man of the house, oldest male sun runs everything and then would joke that only if his wife says so, but despite this you will find a lot of people defend that kind of actual Patriarchy because it's not white people so it's okay.
my mum got a lot of shit from nana because she earned more then my stepdad, she also got a lot of shit from the Samoan side of the family when she kicked me out of home because that kind of thing (abandoning family) goes so much against the culture.