Message from @Avistew
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Maybe the artificial wombs would be reserved for babies that have parents waiting for them
I would predict the worst crime wave in American history 20 years after the artificial womb.
Pretty much, realistically the idea should be to make it *more* likely that children have both parents, not create a new way for children to only have one parent
Maybe both parents are required to pay child support regardless of weather either one raises it. Problem solved.
Having one parent isn't necessarily a problem if you have a lot of other supportive adults around
This is true. And having no parents around still results in having supporting adults if they are paying your way through adulthood.
But I think we agree in the big picture, that we should start with better education and available birth control. And ideally birth control for men too, and not just permanent one
This is what I support. Men should have a birth control option that is not condoms or abstinence
I've heart about the "heat" method but it's really not practical
Female birth control is already relatively inexpensive (about 50 bucks a month, 1/16th the price of the average abortion)
You have to dip your balls in hot (but bearable) water every day for like 30 minutes
I mean, not realistic
Lack of male BC is a result of market forces and politics that have more to do with the drug industry than equality though.
Yeah, I don't think it's people saying they don't want men to have birth control. I know a lot of women support the idea too, and lots of guys would want the option obviously
Actually not that frequently. I read a chart about how long and how hot to sterilize for X days/months. I think the data was gathered in India.
I think the pharmaceutical industry would jump at the opportunity to charge men for something on the long-term like birth control, honestly
Oh, that's good if I'm misremembering. I remembered it being a pain
And there were also underwear that would help but I don't remember the detail of those either
There is a leaf the Malaysian government was studying for male BC. It is available now as an "herbal suppliment".
Next time I am in Malaysia I'll procure seeds. 😇
Nice!
Eh honestly I want something studied and approved by the FDA, I'm not super willing to risk 18 years of financial responsibility on what amounts to a home remedy
Here is some info on the different methods, although very basic https://www.livescience.com/54105-which-male-birth-control-works.html
Yeah, I hear you
I trust good science more than the FDA. The government is swayed by politics. Science is science.
Wouldn't the government jump at the chance to reduce accidental children and thus state dependence?
I trust science too, but there haven't been that many studies done on these methods, although they seem to work if you're doing them consistently
I do not think the government jumps on anything because it is good. They do it because the politicians decided it is in their personal best interest.
Otherwise, explain to me why it is illegal to cut hair without a license in some states.
Well, I understand being ginger about methods that seem too "home-remedy-ey"
Are you serious? What states?
Oooh, it's fine if you do it for free
There are raids. People get arrested. It benefits no one but the industry that lobbied for it. It saves no one.
Yeah, technically tons of things are illegal to do for money without a license
Doing it for free doesn't make it any safer. Being safer is the premise for requiring a license.
Nah, it's to protect the industry
That is like saying you can own a nucnear bomb as long as you built it yourself.
I had a friend who was a wedding photographer. She charged too little and got into trouble for it
She had the license and everything but other wedding photographer complained that it was unfair competition