And the only reason to oppose it would be "I don't want someone to have my genes" which seems very petty if there are parents who want the child

I mean, as long as you don't get hit with having to pay when the people who get the child decide they want money

I don't know why anyone would want to pay to support hordes of babies born in a lab.

I don't see why there would be more than now

I would if that means they don't get killed.

Although it would be best if babies were ONLY grown in a lab, then you wouldn't have one accidentally

Well, yeah, you'd want to reduce unwanted pregnancies

Because the artificial womb has taken all the complications out of having a baby and both parents can choose not to raise it in a world where the sexes have equal rights.

I mean the US has a huge amount of unwanted pregnancies but other countries with better sex ed have way less

Maybe the artificial wombs would be reserved for babies that have parents waiting for them

I would predict the worst crime wave in American history 20 years after the artificial womb.

Pretty much, realistically the idea should be to make it *more* likely that children have both parents, not create a new way for children to only have one parent

Maybe both parents are required to pay child support regardless of weather either one raises it. Problem solved.

Having one parent isn't necessarily a problem if you have a lot of other supportive adults around

This is true. And having no parents around still results in having supporting adults if they are paying your way through adulthood.

But I think we agree in the big picture, that we should start with better education and available birth control. And ideally birth control for men too, and not just permanent one

This is what I support. Men should have a birth control option that is not condoms or abstinence

I've heart about the "heat" method but it's really not practical

Female birth control is already relatively inexpensive (about 50 bucks a month, 1/16th the price of the average abortion)

You have to dip your balls in hot (but bearable) water every day for like 30 minutes

I mean, not realistic

Lack of male BC is a result of market forces and politics that have more to do with the drug industry than equality though.

Yeah, I don't think it's people saying they don't want men to have birth control. I know a lot of women support the idea too, and lots of guys would want the option obviously

Actually not that frequently. I read a chart about how long and how hot to sterilize for X days/months. I think the data was gathered in India.

I think the pharmaceutical industry would jump at the opportunity to charge men for something on the long-term like birth control, honestly

Oh, that's good if I'm misremembering. I remembered it being a pain

And there were also underwear that would help but I don't remember the detail of those either

There is a leaf the Malaysian government was studying for male BC. It is available now as an "herbal suppliment".

Next time I am in Malaysia I'll procure seeds. 😇

"Suspensories" is the underwear. I kept thinking "suspenders"

Nice!

Eh honestly I want something studied and approved by the FDA, I'm not super willing to risk 18 years of financial responsibility on what amounts to a home remedy

Here is some info on the different methods, although very basic https://www.livescience.com/54105-which-male-birth-control-works.html

Yeah, I hear you

I trust good science more than the FDA. The government is swayed by politics. Science is science.

Wouldn't the government jump at the chance to reduce accidental children and thus state dependence?

I trust science too, but there haven't been that many studies done on these methods, although they seem to work if you're doing them consistently

I do not think the government jumps on anything because it is good. They do it because the politicians decided it is in their personal best interest.

Otherwise, explain to me why it is illegal to cut hair without a license in some states.

Well, I understand being ginger about methods that seem too "home-remedy-ey"

Are you serious? What states?