and juste yesterday i was debating whther viooence against men or women was more normalized, they really though it was violence against women that was seen as socially acceptable and normal...IMO it's the opposite, when we see men involved in violence its whats "normal"

Against women is far more reported

Lol

I wonder if it's possible to work out the reporting rate

and i hate the stupidity of "dont teach women to avoid rape, teacfh men not to rape". you wouldnt see "teach terrorists not to be terrorists", you'd advise people not to travel to an area. if you go to a high crime area, it makes sense to take precautions. drinking at a club is no different

All you have to do to debate that is post one of the many videos of women and men being abused in public and the reactions of the public

Lol

i tried making that very point

Yep

@blueorange22 what did they say?

that i was an idiot

then left the discussion

Lol

So they know you are right

Typical

Had a debate on rape that got me banned from shit reddit says, of all places

I literally just told them the law when they were basically arguing to lock up men for every bad date as rapists

well if we have to teach men not to be rapists then we need to train women to not be false accusers as well

you cant really teach bad people and psychopaths not to be bad. the kind of person who would commit a violent assault lijely doesnt care about right and wrong. a class would be meaningless to them.

people just want to believe theres a "solution" to everything, but the unfortunately reality is that bad people exist and always will

There are solutions, but they are practical things that reduce overall numbers. One good thing to do would be to scrap Deluth-style policies.

which of course would be immediately attacked as "trying to remove protections for victims"

Yep.. But you could easily frame it as attacking victims. It's shitty we have to do that, but there you go

I mean, technically it is - you aren't catching the right person and you are trying up the police with nonsense stuff.

I mean really, the Duluth model is sexist and victim blaming, a male victim is automatically blamed for his gender

It dismissed and discredits certain victims by default

@blueorange22 True. This is more about adding in things like "this hurts women too!" than outright making it about them. It's more to try and cajole the SJWs and white knights so they don't instantly switch off

Basically just adding an extra layer of argument and inclusion. I admit I said it a little roughly at first - I do it all the time in articles. The Canada one is a blatant example

The problem is we are up against a disingenuous and manipulative adversary who will lie without any remorse or regard for consequences

So it’s never a fair debate

Yeah, there's that

Wish we had some kinda way to show them up. I mean, they manufacture statistics by excluding men.

Wish Realsexism.com had archived their links....

It’s up to us now

There’s no more waiting for something to happen, it’s on us to do it. We ARE the cavalry

Yep. Basically.

But we are making headway. We've just got to show people that we won't put up with bullshit.

We just need one breakout moment

Mmmm

It's got to be memorable, but the chances are you can't script that

And getting the attention needed - that's hard.