Lol

i tried making that very point

Yep

@blueorange22 what did they say?

that i was an idiot

then left the discussion

Lol

So they know you are right

Typical

Had a debate on rape that got me banned from shit reddit says, of all places

I literally just told them the law when they were basically arguing to lock up men for every bad date as rapists

well if we have to teach men not to be rapists then we need to train women to not be false accusers as well

you cant really teach bad people and psychopaths not to be bad. the kind of person who would commit a violent assault lijely doesnt care about right and wrong. a class would be meaningless to them.

people just want to believe theres a "solution" to everything, but the unfortunately reality is that bad people exist and always will

There are solutions, but they are practical things that reduce overall numbers. One good thing to do would be to scrap Deluth-style policies.

which of course would be immediately attacked as "trying to remove protections for victims"

Yep.. But you could easily frame it as attacking victims. It's shitty we have to do that, but there you go

I mean, technically it is - you aren't catching the right person and you are trying up the police with nonsense stuff.

I mean really, the Duluth model is sexist and victim blaming, a male victim is automatically blamed for his gender

It dismissed and discredits certain victims by default

@blueorange22 True. This is more about adding in things like "this hurts women too!" than outright making it about them. It's more to try and cajole the SJWs and white knights so they don't instantly switch off

Basically just adding an extra layer of argument and inclusion. I admit I said it a little roughly at first - I do it all the time in articles. The Canada one is a blatant example

The problem is we are up against a disingenuous and manipulative adversary who will lie without any remorse or regard for consequences

So it’s never a fair debate

Yeah, there's that

Wish we had some kinda way to show them up. I mean, they manufacture statistics by excluding men.

Wish Realsexism.com had archived their links....

It’s up to us now

There’s no more waiting for something to happen, it’s on us to do it. We ARE the cavalry

Yep. Basically.

But we are making headway. We've just got to show people that we won't put up with bullshit.

We just need one breakout moment

Mmmm

It's got to be memorable, but the chances are you can't script that

And getting the attention needed - that's hard.

I think focusing on multiple issues per protest is something we need to avoid. We need to start saying "MRM against X" and just pick one per protest. And make more protests.

That way when the media report it they have to say the subject - not dub us "MRA incels 4 rape"

That was the flaw of the Australian protest - it wasn't about anything because each person was there for a different cause.

Any ideas on how anyone?

Again, focus on the image aspect. Do it in another direction- a music video, actor, something fun. Make it about the person first, THEN the message.

Make it the party everyone wants to go to