Well maybe an alternative source can report on it.

Yh

@Deleted User If you want what you say added to our website as an open letter, please do let us have a copy.

That'd be an interesting read and one that would help people learn about the movement

I think it really would be.

@Men Are Human So divorce court discrimination isn't straightforward. The MensLib stat is that of those men who contest *to the very end*, 50% win child custody. Of course, what they don't say is that women win more than that.

It is generally easier to prove discrimination with child custody than it is with divorce asset separation

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Discrimination with respect to asset discrimination is still there. I think the easiest way to colloquially demonstrate that is to say that if you go asking for a divorce as a woman you'll get completely different advice than you'll get as a man

For anecdotes, you can check out these: https://www.wikivorce.com/divorce/Divorce-Advice/Divorce-calculator/483292-Re-How-will-our-assets-be-split.html, https://www.wikivorce.com/divorce/Divorce-Advice/Divorce-calculator/223798-is-8020-reasonable.html

Basically sometimes a man is downright lucky if he gets 80-20 in a divorce due to alimony and rules concerning the marital home

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HOWEVER, family court is a complete cesspit

While you hear plenty of stories of men getting insane splits like 80-20 and ending up lucky

You also hear stories of wives who get completely and utterly screwed

If you watch Divorce Corp, I think you can get a pretty good feel that family court can be a maze of incestuous relationships between lawyers and judges, so sometimes husbands who pick the right unscrupulous lawyer can more or less clean out their wives

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As I was saying child custody is a lot easier to demonstrate

Canada stat: https://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jf-pf/2017/nov02.html

US stat: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13524-014-0307-8

You can see that in Canada contested orders go 60% mother, though the uncontested cases are less bad than the US

For the US stat, well, make some estimates based on Fig 1.

Uncontested cases go very poorly for fathers, and contested cases don't go as well for fathers as they do for mothers.

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Finally, the RBOMI article on divorce is really, really good: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main#wiki_3._discrimination_in_divorce.2Ffamily_courts

Okay, there's a bit more: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4jd3xb/is_there_really_a_court_bias_against_men_in/

So it turns out that after remembering a bit of research I did, the study that men get custody 50% of the time in court cases was a woozle

Basically everything tends to refer back to the "Gender Bias Study of the Court System in Massachusetts"

Basically when feminists cite works that cite it they say that when men contest they get 50%, but neglect to mention women are more successful

and the study had a low n-count

and a few other niggles

But partially its just fundamentally flawed, because men don't contest unless they are relatively certain of victory, since contesting will likely eat through most marital assets because family court is expensive as heck, and because the man will likely still owe alimony afterwards.

The PEW data the tweet mentions just says almost all cases settle

which is true of all US courts, including criminal. In other contexts femininsts will note that this serves to amplify and obfuscate injustice

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http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php

That's the best debunking of the Massachusetts study

" The rate at which mothers’ requests for sole custody were honored is 65% higher than the comparable rate for fathers’ requests. "

Holy christ

Thanks a lot Gen. I didn't even know they contested our claim about Divorce in this way.

We need an article on this, and I think you just wrote most of the key points. If there is anything else please let me know!