Canada stat: https://justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jf-pf/2017/nov02.html

US stat: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13524-014-0307-8

You can see that in Canada contested orders go 60% mother, though the uncontested cases are less bad than the US

For the US stat, well, make some estimates based on Fig 1.

Uncontested cases go very poorly for fathers, and contested cases don't go as well for fathers as they do for mothers.

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Finally, the RBOMI article on divorce is really, really good: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main#wiki_3._discrimination_in_divorce.2Ffamily_courts

Okay, there's a bit more: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4jd3xb/is_there_really_a_court_bias_against_men_in/

So it turns out that after remembering a bit of research I did, the study that men get custody 50% of the time in court cases was a woozle

Basically everything tends to refer back to the "Gender Bias Study of the Court System in Massachusetts"

Basically when feminists cite works that cite it they say that when men contest they get 50%, but neglect to mention women are more successful

and the study had a low n-count

and a few other niggles

But partially its just fundamentally flawed, because men don't contest unless they are relatively certain of victory, since contesting will likely eat through most marital assets because family court is expensive as heck, and because the man will likely still owe alimony afterwards.

The PEW data the tweet mentions just says almost all cases settle

which is true of all US courts, including criminal. In other contexts femininsts will note that this serves to amplify and obfuscate injustice

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http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php

That's the best debunking of the Massachusetts study

" The rate at which mothers’ requests for sole custody were honored is 65% higher than the comparable rate for fathers’ requests. "

Holy christ

Thanks a lot Gen. I didn't even know they contested our claim about Divorce in this way.

We need an article on this, and I think you just wrote most of the key points. If there is anything else please let me know!

I think I've gathered most of the relevant material. Just be careful, because while there is ample evidence that family court is biased against men in both custody and assets, that is not universally true, and many people are aware of a woman who has gotten legitimately royally screwed by the system (usually asset-wise, but occasionally custody-wise also), because it sure does happen, and isn't especially uncommon either. Family court is a complete cesspit.

And if they are out there, you might want to try to find hard numbers for DV false allegations, because I haven't looked for that

The lawyer who did an AMA on /r/mensrights said that the family court climate differs significantly by state in the US, which doesn't contradict anything I've found, that may be worth mentioning.

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Oh one more thing depending on how far you go. Another argument that will be made occasionally based on PEW stuff is that the mother spends more time with the child than the father - ergo custody. But think we all see how that is discrimination based on gender role.

And how that doesn't explain split custody vs sole custody

If I were writing I'd probably skip the discrimination based on gender role argument and just point out that a difference of several hours per month shouldn't translate into sole custody, leaving "especially considering the provider role" or something as an offhand remark, if I went into that argument at all.

But there is discrimination by gender, that's what the studies generally show in trends. Of course a woman can get the short end of the stick, showing a trend doesn't contradict that

Thanks a lot. Now I need to somehow turn all your analysis into a tweet. XD

haha, glhf

@InsaneCaterpilla Absolutely, the trend is there, but many women *know* another woman who has gotten shafted, and it makes sense to recognize that by pointing out that family court needs more than a gender adjustment.

This isn't like criminal sentencing where there is unfairness that needs to be rectified but the overall process of how to put a person behind bars is sound, no the family court system is just kaput.

That's fair, I agree with that

Somewhere in Divorce Corp they actually point out some court systems in the world that at least do the asset division stuff cleanly

Okay. Any ideas on what I should say as a specific response? It would be easier if I could just get them on here, but I really doubt they'd go for it.

On the twitter? Well I would say they wouldn't be willing to take on board anything they read from you. I would point out that the statistic they refer to is from 30 years ago, and untrue to boot using genkernels ample sources

The PEW stat which the twitter user used isn't untrue, and it is more recent

But it doesn't really dig down into what happens in court